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Old 05-14-2013, 05:16 AM
 
Location: North America
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I think it's high time to just ignore politics at this point. It's to the point that American politicians are proud to be stupid.

Spot on. Thank you.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obamacare already does put healthcare squarely in the hands of private insurance companies with generous tax payer funded subsidies given directly to the insurance companies.

There is no public option, except for the bottom earners who might qualify for Medicaid.
That is true, but it does set the groundwork for it. How hard would it really be to put a Medicare option into the list of Exchange choices? People would be able to get that minimum yet significant level of coverage for the least cost possible. The Medicare option premiums would reflect the cost only and the numbers of people in that pool, would insure those cost are a low as possible. It will take a while to get there as Ins Ind is very powerful in DC and not just with Repubs. That is where we come in, electing people who will recognize that.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:50 AM
 
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That is true, but it does set the groundwork for it. How hard would it really be to put a Medicare option into the list of Exchange choices? People would be able to get that minimum yet significant level of coverage for the least cost possible. The Medicare option premiums would reflect the cost only and the numbers of people in that pool, would insure those cost are a low as possible. It will take a while to get there as Ins Ind is very powerful in DC and not just with Repubs. That is where we come in, electing people who will recognize that.
People buying medicare will never pay the true cost, they will want it financed with deficits. People don't even like paying insurance companies that just invest the premiums.

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Old 05-14-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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People buying medicare will never pay the true cost, they will want it financed with deficits. People don't even like paying insurance companies that just invest the premiums.

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Pharma/health products: $234,104,389
Business Associations: $172,937,690
Insurance: $152,138,803
Electric utilities: $145,463,813
Oil/gas: $139,928,996
Computers: $132,553,254
How about, if nearly everybody was buying their drugs thru a Medicare plan.... what impact might that large a block of purchasing consumers have on the price of Pharma products? What impact might the establishment to good medical practices based on results rather than frequency of procedures, have on the amount spent on scans, etc?
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Breaking news **** HC to go back to the control of Ins Cos... you know, because they did so well in keeping the cost down and all.. well, if it were up to the Repubs that is.

House Republicans vote, again, to repeal health care law - CNN.com
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FAIL. Did you read the date?

House Republicans vote, again, to repeal health care law

By Tom Cohen, CNN
updated 6:52 PM EDT, Wed July 11, 2012
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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what is this, the 36th time they've attempted it?

Way to go, GOP!
DID YOU read the article and date!! LOL LOL LOL

Another fail!
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:08 AM
 
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The Republicans in Congress sure enjoy wasting millions of dollars of tax payer money, don't they?
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Breaking news **** HC to go back to the control of Ins Cos... you know, because they did so well in keeping the cost down and all.. well, if it were up to the Repubs that is.

House Republicans vote, again, to repeal health care law - CNN.com

It never left the Ins Cos. All it did was force people to go to them.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:13 AM
 
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How about, if nearly everybody was buying their drugs thru a Medicare plan.... what impact might that large a block of purchasing consumers have on the price of Pharma products? What impact might the establishment to good medical practices based on results rather than frequency of procedures, have on the amount spent on scans, etc?
I'm not opposed to negotiated drug prices, other countries do it.

Big pharma has a government sanctioned monopoly and high barriers of entry. Once they develop a drug they can charge whatever they want until the generics come onto the market. Americans pay high prices and other countries get to piggyback on our spending and R&D investment. In my opinion, if drug companies can afford advertising and afford to sell in other countries at a fraction of the cost then they can afford to lower American prices. If this means other countries pay more or go without then so be it. They can always come to the USA and buy drugs if they want.

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Old 05-14-2013, 06:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Breaking news **** HC to go back to the control of Ins Cos... you know, because they did so well in keeping the cost down and all.. well, if it were up to the Repubs that is.

House Republicans vote, again, to repeal health care law - CNN.com
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what is this, the 36th time they've attempted it?

Way to go, GOP!



I don't know what to make of this part of the article....



House Republicans vote, again, to repeal health care law

By Tom Cohen, CNN
updated 6:52 PM EDT, Wed July 11, 2012


Looks like a day late and a dollar short.
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