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Old 05-23-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Why do some people have the view that women have less value depending on how many men they sleep with/if they sell their bodies stripping/if they walk around in skimpy clothing/if they're asexual/even if they've been raped?

Why do some people think that sex crimes are ever the victim's fault in any way whatsoever?

These people are disrespecting women. How do we get rid of them? Would re-education camps with electric shocks for immoral views work

If a person is not attracted to a woman who has been with 400 dudes, that's fine and it makes sense...or if she's been having an abortion a day, or fifty kids, I would say it's acceptable to view her as a lesser person...

but the only business a woman's sexuality is, is the woman's and those who care about her or want to get into a relationship with her.

The only reason someone should ever be angered at a woman who appears "slutty" is out of concern for her safety and happiness.

Note that responses from people with inferior moralities shall be insulted, vigorously

How should society best go about ridding itself of the idea that there are certain women with less value than other women, depending on their level of promiscuity?

These people may encourage the view that rape/sexual assault is acceptable in certain instances. These people may be pressuring women not to aggressively report men who have attacked them, by encouraging the view that they're worth less.

Far too many sex crimes happen to women. We must destroy views that encourage such things. How best would one go about doing that?

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Old 05-23-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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Why do some people have the view that women have less value depending on how many men they sleep with/if they sell their bodies stripping/if they walk around in skimpy clothing/if they're asexual/even if they've been raped?

Why do some people think that sex crimes are ever the victim's fault in any way whatsoever?

These people are disrespecting women. How do we get rid of them? Would re-education camps with electric shocks for immoral views work

If a person is not attracted to a woman who has been with 400 dudes, that's fine and it makes sense...or if she's been having an abortion a day, or fifty kids, I would say it's acceptable to view her as a lesser person...

but the only business a woman's sexuality is, is the woman's and those who care about her or want to get into a relationship with her.

The only reason someone should ever be angered at a woman who appears "slutty" is out of concern for her safety and happiness.

Note that responses from people with inferior moralities shall be insulted, vigorously

How should society best go about ridding itself of the idea that there are certain women with less value than other women, depending on their level of promiscuity?

These people may encourage the view that rape/sexual assault is acceptable in certain instances. These people may be pressuring women not to aggressively report men who have attacked them.

Far too many sex crimes happen to women. We must destroy views that encourage such things. How best would one go about doing that?
Ramble much?
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Ramble much?
I'm going to do this once every few days....I want to make everyone uncomfortable. I find that amusing.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: North America
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Put the bong down, dude, you've had enough.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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One of the universal constants across all societies, religions and cultures is that humans rank everyone they see or meet. Their ranking system is unique to each individual and can range from realistic to insane. All humans categorize because it is impossible to know everyone.

In most patriarchal societies and religions women are disparaged and sometimes hated just because they are women. Many men in these societies actually fear women. Many men can be very foolish and most are.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why do some people have the view that women have less value depending on how many men they sleep with/if they sell their bodies stripping/if they walk around in skimpy clothing/if they're asexual/even if they've been raped?

Why do some people think that sex crimes are ever the victim's fault in any way whatsoever?

These people are disrespecting women. How do we get rid of them? Would re-education camps with electric shocks for immoral views work

If a person is not attracted to a woman who has been with 400 dudes, that's fine and it makes sense...or if she's been having an abortion a day, or fifty kids, I would say it's acceptable to view her as a lesser person...

but the only business a woman's sexuality is, is the woman's and those who care about her or want to get into a relationship with her.

The only reason someone should ever be angered at a woman who appears "slutty" is out of concern for her safety and happiness.

Note that responses from people with inferior moralities shall be insulted, vigorously

How should society best go about ridding itself of the idea that there are certain women with less value than other women, depending on their level of promiscuity?

These people may encourage the view that rape/sexual assault is acceptable in certain instances. These people may be pressuring women not to aggressively report men who have attacked them, by encouraging the view that they're worth less.

Far too many sex crimes happen to women. We must destroy views that encourage such things. How best would one go about doing that?
While I agree with the general sentiment of your post, I have to point out that you are asking people on an internet forum to not only explain human nature, but also come up with a way to change it.

Our generation is much more accepting and tolerant than previous generations. Our children's generation will be more accepting and tolerant than we are. There isn't any magic button to push that will make people more tolerant, it is simply a matter of each generation putting aside their differences and accepting cultural diversity.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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I'm going to do this once every few days....I want to make everyone uncomfortable. I find that amusing.
You didn't make me uncomfortable. I started to reply to your points individually and then I realized, "Whoa, this person is REALLY confused."

I don't really have time to engage in the hand-holding necessary to explain all these things to you, but one thing is clear: you could start by admitting that women are just like men, they do bad things too, and they aren't all the same, therefore they are not all worthy of respect in the first place.

If you DO think all women are worthy of respect, it should then follow that all men are also worthy of respect, even the ones who commit sex crimes. Have fun with that logic.

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How should society best go about ridding itself of the idea that there are certain women with less value than other women, depending on their level of promiscuity?
Well, you'd have to get rid of women, since this sort of thing starts with adolescent girls tearing down their competition.

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Old 05-23-2013, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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You didn't make me uncomfortable. I started to reply to your points individually and then I realized, "Whoa, this person is REALLY confused."

I don't really have time to engage in the hand-holding necessary to explain all these things to you, but one thing is clear: you could start by admitting that women are just like men, they do bad things too, and they aren't all the same, therefore they are not all worthy of respect in the first place.

If you DO think all women are worthy of respect, it should then follow that all men are also worthy of respect, even the ones who commit sex crimes. Have fun with that logic.



Well, you'd have to get rid of women, since this sort of thing starts with adolescent girls tearing down their competition.
I never implied that all women are worthy of respect. It just makes no sense to disrespect women who have done nothing wrong to others...such as potentially promiscuous women, unless it is out of some honest concern for them. If people do things that harm no one but themselves, anyone who disrespects them for it, who does not do it out of concern for that person, seems to be behaving with a degree of narcissism, to me.

Are you someone whose view I desire destroyed? Someone who believes people who do not harm others should be thought poorer of by people not seeking to assist them?

Nobody deserves punishment who does not harm others, unless that punishment assists themselves somehow. There is a view of vengeance for acts that do not harm others that I think is an inaccurate morality.

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Old 05-23-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The problem is we over respect promiscuous men. Watch a Dos Eques (?) beer add for a good example.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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The problem is we over respect promiscuous men. Watch a Dos Eques (?) beer add for a good example.
Hey now, he's the most interesting man in the world...

Point well made, even though I do find those commercials amusing.
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