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So it isn't runaway socialism and a take over the healthcare system by the guvment?!?!?
Which is it, were you for the establishment of a national health care system or leading the charge claiming that Obamacare was part of a vast socialist plot?
Actually, if you look up my posting history on Obamacare I've held the position that it was a gross misuse of power to force individuals into purchasing a product supplied by a private company without any sort of firm price controls on that product. I don't believe that I've called it a socialist program, although I will say that it skirts the outer edges of theoretical socialism (government interference in the free market), so it's entirely possible that I have made that accusation.
IMO, Obamacare is designed to be a failure, with the hopes that once it fails a true Universal Health Care system can be pushed through at a far greater expense to the average American citizen. After all, the people who support it are, mostly, the same people who wish to compare the United States unfavorably with Europe, and Europe's claim to fame is the various styles of UHC in European countries. Those same people tend to overlook the fact that the financial burdens that have been placed on European countries by their UHC programs contributed greatly to the financial collapse that has crippled the European economies.
While I think the idea of UHC is a laudable one, the reality of UHC and the crippling effect it has on not only the economy but also on the quality of medical care pushes me away from endorsing the idea. As for Obamacare, it's a poorly written mishmash of our previous insurance system and a single-payer system which is going to add trillions of dollars to our deficit while imposing greater financial burdens on the very people whose healthcare was supposed to become more affordable after its passage. On top of this, it further expands our already massive government and hands even more power to the proven-to-be-untrustworthy IRS.
No it's called reality. This isn't some game like you folks all think it is. I guess Obama and your democrat buddies taught you that. Pathetic is what it is.
IMO, Obamacare is designed to be a failure, with the hopes that once it fails a true Universal Health Care system can be pushed through at a far greater expense to the average American citizen.
Yep that is exactly what it is. The sheep will just line up and scream gimme is what they are counting on and what they will of course get.
Calling people who disagree with you "sheep" is so commonplace. Both sides do it. It means nothing any more, no more than calling someone "stupid". Get some new vocabulary, please.
Yup, unlike the blues and kaiser they have less to lose both politically and in terms of market share for not playing ball on the exchange rates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah... the numbers for the newly insured and the rates that are being offered speak for themselves. If Aetna and Cigna choose to opt out, who cares, people are being insured and the rate increase in marginal for those who aren't paying less.
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We'll see what happens in 2015 and 2016 as claims experience comes in. They're certainly going out on a limb pricing so far below the Optum numbers (from the SOA study).
Yeah, like hyper-inflation, Michelle's Whitey video, Romney winning and a whole bunch of other wait and sees we've been promised over the last few years.
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It's cronyism...which is every bit as bad.
Another one who needs to buy a freaking dictionary:
cro·ny·ism (krn-zm)
n.
Favoritism shown to old friends without regard for their qualifications, as in political appointments to office. (see Haliburton)
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Yeah...I read that the Crips and Bloods will join the Wellpoint plan and the Zetas and Northern Mexicans will sign on with Humana...Travelers is getting record numbers of undocumented aliens along with their families signing onto their plan...All the other gangs are still reviewing policies looking for the best deal with other insurers before they sign on...
As long as their insured taxpayers don't have to pay for their gang related injuries.
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What part of Mircea's post do you not understand?? Let me guess..............all of it?? lol
What part of obstructionism do you not understand?
Who wants to be next in line for some cheese to go with their whine?
Yeah, yeah, yeah... the numbers for the newly insured and the rates that are being offered speak for themselves. If Aetna and Cigna choose to opt out, who cares, people are being insured and the rate increase in marginal for those who aren't paying less.
Yeah, like hyper-inflation, Michelle's Whitey video, Romney winning and a whole bunch of other wait and sees we've been promised over the last few years.
It matters because the medium-term impact of the ACA on prices (i.e. post-2014) is going to reflect claims experience and runout for 2014, 2015, etc. rather than 2014 prices.
Further, it matters that the only big players offering rates that were accepted were the locals, and that Aetna, Cigna, United, etc. aren't in the game because of what that signals about their internal projections and forecasts. Either kaiser and the blues are making a brilliant/lucky prediction and will be rewarded for it with better market share and good relations with the CA insurance commissioner, or they're going to bleed red ink.
Actually, if you look up my posting history on Obamacare I've held the position that it was a gross misuse of power to force individuals into purchasing a product supplied by a private company without any sort of firm price controls on that product.
While I disagree with your post both in general and in many of the specifics. It is the best argued post that I've read in a long time from the opposition and for no other reason than that I applaud you.
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