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I have no idea what the views on homosexuality were in year 0 or 1900, and I deeply do not care.
Well, in the Roman Empire it was pretty much expected for a man to take an adolescent boy under his wing and teach him the ins and outs of sex, as it were. The Roman social stigma wasn't based on gay/straight, but top/bottom. Homosexual behaviour was common, accepted, and pretty much expected.
1) You think gays have never risen in the ranks of the US military?
do you understand what openly gay means?
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You DO realize that the man who TRAINED the continental army - the army that led to the freedom that you have today to practice your uber-conservative version of your religion without reprisal - was a gay man? Do you know those standards he taught the continental army still form the basis of the standards in use today?
if he was truly gay he was also a gay pedophile
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“It has come to me from different sources that M. de Steuben is accused of having taken familiarities with young boys which the laws forbid and punish severely. I have even been informed that that is the reason why M. de Steuben was obliged to leave Hechingen and that the clergy of your country intend to prosecute him by law as soon as he may establish himself anywhere.”
If you had a point I'll respond like this
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You DO realize that the man who TRAINED the continental army - the army that led to the freedom that you have today to practice your uber-liberal version of your "marriage" and sick peversions without reprisal - was a pedophile Do you know those standards he taught the continental army still form the basis of the standards in use today?
unless your also part of NAMBA?
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2) So when Hitler ordered that anyone in the party found to be a practicing homosexual, it made them that much easier to kill?
yes many of the first gay "victims" of the supposed gay "holocaust" were the same Nazis who led To Hitler's rise and caused decent people to be murdered
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3) B.F.D.
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1) Doesn't matter, and doesn't change anything. Jews actively participated in harming other Jews, and Jews are STILL not to blame for it because SOME of their ranks were involved in it. Nazis and Hitler was to blame.
It's not surprising that some can't differentiate between god and evil also can't differentiate between evil and extremely evil.
Lothar Machtan makes a compelling case that Adolf Hitler was homosexual, and that one cannot begin to understand him, his entry into politics, and the early Nazi movement without a clear understanding of this aspect of his identity. Recent books on the Nazi movement have argued that the Third Reich was a fundamentally sordid regime. Machtan provides powerful new evidence in support of this view. This side of Hitler and his "Munich clique," as Goebbels put it, has never been so vividly evoked. As an intimate portrait of Hitler and as a surprising portrait of the homoerotic nature of the early Nazi movement, The Hidden Hitler is a major and certainly controversial contribution to the biographical literature.
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3) Oh? There were also openly straight top ranking Nazis. Yet for some reason you save your indignation for the gay individuals in the ranks.
If you forgot YOU said I should not be against same gender "marriage" because gays were killed with Jews. I now have the duty to point out the very same gays who were killed caused jews to be murdered.
the defintion of chutzpa is anyone who knows who Ernst Röhm and still brings up the supposed gay "holocaust" to a jew to get him to support same gender "marriage"
my indignation is for you.
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4) Yeah, there are, when discussing Jewishness as a culture or ethnicity, as opposed to the religious part.
there is no such thing as a part Jew even the Nazi's knew that (the non jews who had jewish grandparents were treated much better by the Nazis in the camps)
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I don't care what silly little rules your religion has for who is a real Jew vs. not a real Jew, whose mom has to be Jewish to be considered Jewish... you cannot argue with genetics. Ashkenazi isn't usually a genetic marker found among people who do not have Jewish heritage.
it was a genetic marker that is found amongst many groups besides ashkenazi jews
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(most of who).... nice qualification there.
If there was 1 jew who joined the Nazis as a cook you would say it's 100% comparable it to the leader of a army that went around beating up Jews.
I'm sure you would have also been in the SA
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The assumption is made on the E1b1b1 marker, which 30% of Ashkenazis have, and 30% of Sephardics have.
Now, being an individual in Northern Europe, and not someone from southern Europe - for which E1b1b1 is common from north Africa, where is the most likely source of this gene?
From some Berber, or from the countless Jewish who were in northern Europe, Germany, Poland, Austria?
read the whole press release
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Based on Family Tree DNA records, no more than 9% of the populations of Germany and Austria belong to the haplogroup E1b1b, and among those, the vast majority - about 80% - are not associated with Jewish ancestry.
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You don't have to quote the book. It's where you and your wretched ilk have sources your conclusions.
The paragraph discusses and debunks the ARGUMENT that you pose, not just the BOOK.
Keep up.
find me 1 source that contradicts any of this statement
Ernst Röhm was the head of SA, Ernst Röhm was a homosexual, Hitler rose to power due to the SA beating people up, the SA was beat up Jews
I didn't learn about any of that in the book you don't like.
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As usual, you miss the point.
only to a gay anti semite
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Oh? How is it irrelevant?
that doesn't change the fact that gays caused the Holocaust to happen.
also a big chunk of those put in the camps were former SA members
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You would have served yourself better in your formative years studying more than the Holocaust.
Perhaps some courses in human sexuality. Or power dynamics.
Rape is about control and power and violence. Any freshman at a second rate community college who has taken a sociology seminar knows at least THAT much.
The SS soliders raping malnourished, shaven head women and gaunt men were not burning with lust towards their captors. They were committing acts of violence and control and humiliation.
I don't have time to debate your pseudopsychologically I've had enogh with your pseudohistory
And I really think you shouldn't be throwing stones when living in a glass house.... a house full of Shiksa interlopers, intermarriage rates skyrocketing to half of all marriages entered into by Jewish people, and 17 Jewish children for every 20 Jewish adults.
and that's why in 100 years most Jews will be Orthodox. 70% of NYC's jewish children are Orthodox
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Oh, and get this: Many of the gay movements revered leaders are Jewish: Harvey Milk, for example. One of the largest gay porn producers is a Russian Jew famous for portraying hot guys from Israel.
WTF does it matter if someone is "openly gay" vs. "not openly gay?"
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if he was truly gay he was also a gay pedophile
Bullcrap. More revisionist history dredged up by people who will latch onto any rumor to discredit the contributions of this known-gay man, who did so much for the country.
Luckily, there are only a few opinions that truly count:
"I wish, to make use, of this last Moment of my public Life, to Signify in the strongest terms, my
entire Approbation of your Conduct, and to express my Sense of the Obligations the public is under
to you for your faithful, and Meritorious Services."
George Washington wrote these words in a letter to his friend Baron Von Steuben on December 23,
1783.
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unless your also part of NAMBA?
Interesting you should mention NAMBLA. Some of its most vocal proponents are prominent Jewish like Allen Ginsberg. Perhaps I should start running around saying Jews are responsible for NAMBLA, because some Jews happen to be in support of it or are members.
Would be fair to smear all of Jews with the actions of a few? THAT is classic propaganda tactics, and it is EXACTLY what YOU are engaging in to smear gay people because you have some f--- up chip on your shoulder and think gays started the holocaust!
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Originally Posted by NY Jew
yes many of the first gay "victims" of the supposed gay "holocaust" were the same Nazis who led To Hitler's rise and caused decent people to be murdered
Careful tough guy. Karl Marx was the Jewish founder of an ideology responsible for the deaths of far more people than the Nazis. By your logic, because he belongs to a certain group and advanced an ideology that led to innumerable deaths, all of Jewish people are to be condemned!
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If you forgot YOU said I should not be against same gender "marriage" because gays were killed with Jews. I now have the duty to point out the very same gays who were killed caused jews to be murdered.
the defintion of chutzpa is anyone who knows who Ernst Röhm and still brings up the supposed gay "holocaust" to a jew to get him to support same gender "marriage"
my indignation is for you.
WRONG. Because being Jewish is the most interesting thing about you, and because your favorite topic in the whole wide world is Jewish this, and Jewish that, you have a fixation on the holocaust and Nazis, it was YOU were the one who made this quote, first:
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there was a much higher percentage of people in the world favor of homosexuality around 102 than in 1902. In short things change. This is a temporary insanity phase like communism, Nazisim etc.
the same "miracle" that the gay "community" had when they changed America into a bigoted country.
there are way more young kids against same gender "marriage" today than there were young kids for same gender "marriage" in 1970. yet those gay "people" brainwashed the world like the communists did and the Nazis did.
At which point you were called out by someone taking you to task for comparing gay people to Nazis, and because you are intellectually and morally BANKRUPT, as well as profoundly ignorant, you're response was to take this conversation in this direction:
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the Nazis only came to power because of a group of Nazi gay thugs. The first gays who were placed in concentration camps were those same Nazi thugs who beat up Jews. The first "people" killed for being gay were top ranking Nazis.
learn the facts not the gay propaganda.
Which is immensely STUPID (as if being gay has or had anything to do with ideology of any Nazi that happened to be gay.... especially since there are plenty of gay Jews, and a whole helluva lot more straight people who were Nazis).
As if there were no gays, Nazism would never have existed! It must suck to have such a warped sense of reality and worldview.
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there is no such thing as a part Jew even the Nazi's knew that (the non jews who had jewish grandparents were treated much better by the Nazis in the camps)
Don't know how you can say something like that living in NEW YORK of all places, ground zero of liberal Jewish intermarriage and mixing with gentiles... but there are plenty of part-Jews, half-Jews, kinda-sorta-Jews, not-practicing Jews in my neck of the woods. Most famously, the Jewbans... mix of Catholic Cubans and Jewish heritage
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Originally Posted by NY Jew
If there was 1 jew who joined the Nazis as a cook you would say it's 100% comparable it to the leader of a army that went around beating up Jews.
I'm sure you would have also been in the SA
Answer the question: Did anyone's sexuality - gay or straight - play any role in the ideology of anti-semitism and Nazism? At all?
What tenants of Nazism promote or rely on homosexual members?
Again, plenty of STRAIGHT men in Nazi ranks, running the show.... is their STRAIGHTNESS a contributor to their Nazi ideology?
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find me 1 source that contradicts any of this statement
Ernst Röhm was the head of SA, Ernst Röhm was a homosexual, Hitler rose to power due to the SA beating people up, the SA was beat up Jews
I didn't learn about any of that in the book you don't like.
Your problem .... well... one of your problems ... is that you are making a false connection.
Aside from being gay, he appears to have been fat. Perhaps being fat is also correlative with being a Nazi?
BTW: Rohm was killed by Hitler in 1934. This was even before Hitler invaded Poland. Hitler's STRAIGHT collaborators were much more architects of the "final solution!"
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only to a gay anti semite
You're either starting to go senile, or you're a sad and desperate caricature. Perhaps both.
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that doesn't change the fact that gays caused the Holocaust to happen.
also a big chunk of those put in the camps were former SA members
The Nazi party was always anti-semitic from the start.
If "gays" caused the Holocaust to happen, so did "straight" people, as last I checked, Eichmann, Heydrich, et al all loved some opposite-sex-sex.
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I don't have the time to debate your pseudopsychologically I've had enogh with your pseudohistory
Translation: "I'm too dang lazy (or just flat out dumb) to educate myself. Because all I want to do all day is study Nazis and watch WW2 documentaries on the history channel."
I wish we could get to where the government is out of marriage PERIOD...but I guess first gotta let homosexuals marry...doesn't bother me none but I believe I live in a state that will be one of the last to legalize it...
MY view is that marriage should not be regulated at all by the state. all civil reasons for having marriage run by government are solved by having every get a civil union. so marriage could be run by the various religions of the world without government interference.
MY view is that marriage should not be regulated at all by the state. all civil reasons for having marriage run by government are solved by having every get a civil union. so marriage could be run by the various religions of the world without government interference.
Yep. Also not all people want a religious wedding like me and my wife but other than that completely agree.
WTF does it matter if someone is "openly gay" vs. "not openly gay?"
see my response to Karl Marx
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Bullcrap. More revisionist history dredged up by people who will latch onto any rumor to discredit the contributions of this known-gay man, who did so much for the country.
Luckily, there are only a few opinions that truly count:
"I wish, to make use, of this last Moment of my public Life, to Signify in the strongest terms, my
entire Approbation of your Conduct, and to express my Sense of the Obligations the public is under
to you for your faithful, and Meritorious Services."
George Washington wrote these words in a letter to his friend Baron Von Steuben on December 23,
1783.
and saying he's gay is not revisionist history.
the same rumors that indicate he was gay are the same one that indicate he was a pedophile.
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Interesting you should mention NAMBLA. Some of its most vocal proponents are prominent Jewish like Allen Ginsberg. Perhaps I should start running around saying Jews are responsible for NAMBLA, because some Jews happen to be in support of it or are members.
Would be fair to smear all of Jews with the actions of a few? THAT is classic propaganda tactics, and it is EXACTLY what YOU are engaging in to smear gay people because you have some f--- up chip on your shoulder and think gays started the holocaust!
If I should change marriage because some gays were killed by the Nazis then I have every right to bring up the gay SA
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Careful tough guy. Karl Marx was the Jewish founder of an ideology responsible for the deaths of far more people than the Nazis. By your logic, because he belongs to a certain group and advanced an ideology that led to innumerable deaths, all of Jewish people are to be condemned!
1. If I should support evil actions because of the "poor gays" I should also mention that those "poor gays" led to Many Jews being murdered
2. while Karl Marx was Jewish he was not what I would call a open Jew
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WRONG. Because being Jewish is the most interesting thing about you, and because your favorite topic in the whole wide world is Jewish this, and Jewish that, you have a fixation on the holocaust and Nazis, it was YOU were the one who made this quote, first:
my comparison to Nazi's is that saying same gender "marriage" will not be reversed is equivalent to the 1000 year Reich. In 1936 no one would have thought that Nazism would be mostly gone in 10 years.
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At which point you were called out by someone taking you to task for comparing gay people to Nazis, and because you are intellectually and morally BANKRUPT, as well as profoundly ignorant, you're response was to take this conversation in this direction:
Which is immensely STUPID (as if being gay has or had anything to do with ideology of any Nazi that happened to be gay.... especially since there are plenty of gay Jews, and a whole helluva lot more straight people who were Nazis).
As if there were no gays, Nazism would never have existed! It must suck to have such a warped sense of reality and worldview.
I'm not comparing gays to Nazi's I'm comparing Gayisim (there's an IDOLogy here whether you choose to see it or not) to Nazisim.
there can be people who are currently attracted to a member of the same sex who are not Gayisits and there can be "people" who are not and have never been attracted to a member of the same sex who are a gaysit
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Don't know how you can say something like that living in NEW YORK of all places, ground zero of liberal Jewish intermarriage and mixing with gentiles... but there are plenty of part-Jews, half-Jews, kinda-sorta-Jews, not-practicing Jews in my neck of the woods. Most famously, the Jewbans... mix of Catholic Cubans and Jewish heritage
If their mother is Jewish their Jewish if their father is Jewish their not.
PS New York is one of the least intermarried Jewish cities in the country.
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Yeah. Plenty of populations in and around the Mediterranean. Guess which populations that exhibit that marker tend to live in northern/central Europe?
please explain this line
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Based on Family Tree DNA records, no more than 9% of the populations of Germany and Austria belong to the haplogroup E1b1b, and among those, the vast majority - about 80% - are not associated with Jewish ancestry.
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Answer the question: Did anyone's sexuality - gay or straight - play any role in the ideology of anti-semitism and Nazism? At all?
What tenants of Nazism promote or rely on homosexual members?
Again, plenty of STRAIGHT men in Nazi ranks, running the show.... is their STRAIGHTNESS a contributor to their Nazi ideology?
If you want me to feel sorry for perverts because they were killed I willl bring up that those same perverts killed many Jews
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Your problem .... well... one of your problems ... is that you are making a false connection.
Aside from being gay, he appears to have been fat. Perhaps being fat is also correlative with being a Nazi?
BTW: Rohm was killed by Hitler in 1934. This was even before Hitler invaded Poland. Hitler's STRAIGHT collaborators were much more architects of the "final solution!"
what about his deputy?
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The Nazi party was always anti-semitic from the start.
If "gays" caused the Holocaust to happen, so did "straight" people, as last I checked, Eichmann, Heydrich, et al all loved some opposite-sex-sex.
You keep on missing the point
the gays who were in the so called "gay holocaust" were largely those same ones that caused the real one
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Translation: "I'm too dang lazy (or just flat out dumb) to educate myself. Because all I want to do all day is study Nazis and watch WW2 documentaries on the history channel."
gay rapists rape other men
ordinary rapists only rape woman.
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It must suck to have such a warped sense of reality and worldview.