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Old 06-21-2013, 10:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by GregW View Post
As someone said about another topic. What in the world are you smoking?

Flouride and food as porn. Nice combination.
It makes people more accepting.

Everyone wants to be accepted.

It's fricken Utopia, man.

 
Old 06-21-2013, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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If it is so absurd, then why does being fat often lead to so many other problems, such as diabetes, heart problems, and joint problems? Obesity IS a health problem, and it often leads to other problems.
Obesity is a health problem brought on, not by a disease, but by the inability to deny one's self, feeling that one deserves to not have consequences for their actions.

I would like to see food issued in place of debit cards for people on public assistance.

I worked in the schools for awhile and saw what the school lunches were. Just look at the menus. They fried the foods even though they were supposed to be baked because if they baked them, the kids threw them away. A few of the kids would eat only the ice cream and throw away the rest of the meal.

Today, I was in the grocery store buying healthy foods and not because they are tasty. Probably 75% of the people in the store were obese and loading up the junk food even though one man could hardly move.

Obesity is self-inflicted. I have heavier relatives on both sides of my family but guess while moving quickly to grab my healthy foods, I dodged that bullet, you know, the "fat" gene.

Because obesity effects so many, including medical professionals, it has become a difficult subject. I watched middle school kids walking from school and one had to basically throw his body from one side to the other to take a step. Many of the kids were twice my size and others 3 times the size. Parents owe their children more than to allow this.

How many diseases can be cured with self-control?
 
Old 06-21-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because it's that threshold beyond which your body starts to break down that it's considered a disease, not when you're still healthy and are just overweight.

It's not about being fat, it's about being clinically obese. Not a bit pudgy.
You're calling it pudgy?
That might be an indication of the acceptance mentioned earlier.

Two examples from the CDC

5’4"/1.63 meters.......... 174 pounds or more/79 kilograms or more

5’9"/1.75 meters .......203 pounds or more/92 kilograms or more



http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db82.pdf

Crap....trying to get rid of the formatting!!
 
Old 06-21-2013, 01:18 PM
 
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I have had a weight problem. When I was in the 9th grade I weighed 152 pounds.....until I got my act together and dieted my way down to 110 pounds by the time I entered 10th grade. { I am 5'5" tall}

And.....several times throughout the years I have gained a few of them back.....and dieted them back off.

Last year, at 59, my weight had crept up to 128 pounds.....and then one day I made up my mind that I was going to do something about it and I am now back down to 115. I am happy with that, 110 is not realistic at my age.

And it is not easy to keep it there. It has never been easy. I have always had to watch what I eat.

I weigh myself every morning....and when I go up a pound or two.....I immediately start cutting back. I don't want to let it get ahead of me again. It is a lot harder to drop ten pounds at my age than it used to be.....that is for sure.

Over the years I have had people say: "Oh, you're naturally thin, it is easy for you." Ummm.....no, I am not naturally thin and no, it is not easy.
i am sorry, come back when you have a REAL weight problem. 42lbs is nothing. when you have to deal with 150lbs and all the health issues that come with that, then come back and talk to me. as a result of my kidney failure, i had gained more than 100 lbs of weight due to my body not being able to eliminate excess water and waste. i have lost 121lbs since going on dialysis, but i still have a long way to go.
 
Old 06-21-2013, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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i am sorry, come back when you have a REAL weight problem. 42lbs is nothing. when you have to deal with 150lbs and all the health issues that come with that, then come back and talk to me. as a result of my kidney failure, i had gained more than 100 lbs of weight due to my body not being able to eliminate excess water and waste. i have lost 121lbs since going on dialysis, but i still have a long way to go.
Guess you are taking this personal and not realizing that the main problem is not people who have a very valid medical cause for putting on all that weight but the majority who eat themselves into obesity and then suffer other physical maladies because of it.
(And the poster you were chastising has/had a problem with weight but didn't let it get crucial because she dealt with it sooner than later)
 
Old 06-21-2013, 03:19 PM
 
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Agree, the causes are not so cut and dried as many would have people believe. Humans are not test tubes; calories in vs. calories burned is not absolute in a biological organism. In a test tube, yes.

Re: the bold. Yes, McDonald's did offer salads more than 20 years ago. It's mostly what I ate when I worked there in 1988.
I guess we have to re-evaluate gravity, too?
 
Old 06-21-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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None of that changes the fact that clinically, being morbidly obese acts like a disease on the body.

Plenty of diseases are a direct result of people's actions or non actions. Not blaming them, just stating a fact.

And seriously, your incredibly simplistic insistence on the root cause of obesity makes for a good slogan but is infinitely unhelpful.
It IS simple. The human body has slight variations from person to person, but our processes are the same.

The root cause of obesity is eating too much and/or not moving enough.

Unhelpful? I think the very simplicity is incredibly appealing. I'm sorry the answer doesn't come in a bottle, or a spray, or a vapor. It just involves discipline.

I disagree with you about it being a great slogan. It isn't. You can't make money off of it!
 
Old 06-21-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Yep, the same argument people make about addicts and alcoholics and the disease of addiction.

Here's the thing people don't understand unless they've been there - people in those situations desperately don't want to be. But often they need help out of it. That's all. And if we keep putting people who need help down, stigmatizing them, then we're just pushing them further in the hole.

Often all people need to get started on a very tough journey is a compassionate push from their fellow men. Treating an already bottomed out and distressed person with derision and contempt does not help.

Neither does "I did it so why can't you?". Why can't we accept that we are not clones, that everyone responds differently, everyone has their own physiological and psychological makeup, and their own environment to deal with?
I'm not putting anyone down, or stigmatizing them. I'm saying, you want to lose weight? Eat less and exercise more. How is that pushing someone "in a hole"?
 
Old 06-21-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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Alcoholism and drug addiction are considered diseases, and I think those are much more due to choice than obesity. This designation paves the way to paid treatment for this disease, same as insurance pays for substance abuse treatment. It also frees up the obese to be covered under the ADA law, and have rights, and sue for employment discrimination. People with other addictive disorders have had these rights for decades.

These people have an addiction and should have access to the same entitlement as those with other addiction disorders.
 
Old 06-21-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Alcoholism and drug addiction are considered diseases, and I think those are much more due to choice than obesity. This designation paves the way to paid treatment for this disease, same as insurance pays for substance abuse treatment. It also frees up the obese to be covered under the ADA law, and have rights, and sue for employment discrimination. People with other addictive disorders have had these rights for decades.

These people have an addiction and should have access to the same entitlement as those with other addiction disorders.
I would like to point out.....smoking is an addiction.....and smokers have none of those rights.

Why should alcoholism or overeating be considered a disease and not smoking?
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