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It's lie "well", not lie "good".
Yes, he went to Florida. He decided to pay for it himself out of pocket, because he's independently wealthy and wanted to recuperate in Florida, rather than here in the dead of a Canadian winter. Again....the same surgery is available here.
Last time I checked, Miami is in Florida.
Get caught "not really telling the truth" and go for the grammar and spelling....how leftist of you....
But the reality appears to be the opposite of what I feared. Williams needed an operation on his mitral valve. His office admits the procedure was, in fact, available in Canada. It’s more than that, though: Canadian cardiac surgeons happen to be renowned for their expertise in valve repair.
It was two Canadian physicians who wrote the how-to paper on valve surgery published only late last year in the New England Journal of Medicine. There are famous surgeons like Toronto’s Dr. Tirone David, who’s been called a “virtuoso” valve man. Minimally invasive procedures, the style of surgery Williams chose, are offered in Canada in places like the University of Ottawa Heart Institute. Canadian health care survives Danny Williams' surgery - Capital Read, John Geddes - Macleans.ca
we would be ok with singlepayer (as long as its not the typical governmental CRAPcare)...except for the COST..something liberals NEVER WANT TO ADMIT TO
1. mediCARE is not singlepayer...it is a 80/20 insurance
2. the closest thing to singlepayer is medicAID
fact to cover all 320 million people at 80/20 would cost about 3 trillion a year...to cover all at 100% would cost about 6 trillion
number of tax FILERS 130 million...number with a POSITIVE TAX LIABILITY about 65 million
6 trillion divided by 130 million is......46k.
do you ( a taxpayer) have 46 THOUSAND DOLLARS laying around YEARLY.....I think not
even at the 3 trillion mark...that is over 23 thousand a year
singlepayer is ABUSE of the taxpayer
singlepayer would cost 3 - 6 trillion ANNUALLY (remember the federal government ALREADY SPENDS 1 trillion a year between medicare/medicaid/ and the VA)...meanwhile our national revenue(personal income/ coprprate income/ and excise taxes) is only 2.5 trillion
you do the math... the taxpayer cant afford it
singlepayer...would cost 3 to 6 trillion in the USA to cover the 320 million people...depending on the EXTENT of the coverage (ie 3 trillion for a 80/20 policy with many things not covered...or 6 trillion with a 100% (medicaid type) coverage minus cosmetic)
we have 120 million tax FILERS
of those 120 million tax FILERS nearly 50% dont have a positive tax liability (pay taxes)
3 trillion divided by (the full filers) 120 million is 25k
6 trillion divided by 120 million is 50k
3 trillion divided by 65 million (high estimeate of actual tax payers) is 46k
6 trillion divided by 65 million is 90k
can the average tax payer afford 25k - 90k in taxes ANNUALLY????
oh and btw the average health insurance premium is nearly 20k also...most workers only pay 25% while their EMPLOYER pays the other 75%...under singlepayer..no more employer chipping in...its ALL on the taxpayer
So only 100 million people receive health insurance in this country now? This is where your numbers are flawed to begin with. So the rest of your "math" is actually inaccurate.
This is a nice collection of charts that shows we currently have an inefficient system that is already costing us more than anywhere else in the world. If we were to overhaul our entire healthcare system, it would actually save us money as a country.
Most of you are missing the big picture with healthcare in the USA.
Its about who's really paying for healthcare.
Right now, if we implement a social care system. Many of the lower middle class will actually end up paying more for their care. That's the reason Dems can't come up with a real plan not to offend their voting base.
If you make 80-85% of the population pay at least 10% of the income towards healthcare via taxes, we can get single payer through.
But we already have people complaning even paying 5% of their income is too much.
Question for those in other countries. The USA probably has about 15% of the current population who currently pay zero to the system.
Medicare is another 15% that is heavily subsidized via taxes already. Yes, I know most (but not all pay into the system)
Can your country support a system where 25% don't pay into the system?
Sure we can impose an employer health tax to try to make up revenue. Just too many hurdles to clear even if you eliminate all the middle guys.
We need more participation into the health system by all citizens.
Does the UK allow someone making the equivalent of $20k for an individual what amount to paying only 5% for their care?
So we are actually only talking about making 5-10% of the population to start paying into healthcare. Also we would be separating health insurance from employment with would make pay to go up due to employees not having to pay through their employer for healthcare, and pays would go up because employers weren't paying for their employee health insurance.
Any working American currently pays into Social Security, even if they are getting back all of their taxes, I don't see why health insurance has to be any different than how we collect Social Security.
But the reality appears to be the opposite of what I feared. Williams needed an operation on his mitral valve. His office admits the procedure was, in fact, available in Canada. It’s more than that, though: Canadian cardiac surgeons happen to be renowned for their expertise in valve repair.
It was two Canadian physicians who wrote the how-to paper on valve surgery published only late last year in the New England Journal of Medicine. There are famous surgeons like Toronto’s Dr. Tirone David, who’s been called a “virtuoso†valve man. Minimally invasive procedures, the style of surgery Williams chose, are offered in Canada in places like the University of Ottawa Heart Institute. Canadian health care survives Danny Williams' surgery - Capital Read, John Geddes - Macleans.ca
No crickets.....oh and lookie what you own link stated...
Quote:
But those sorts of factors don’t tell us anything about the capacity of the
Canadian health care system to provide high-quality care. I’ve heard no credible
claim that Williams would have faced a long wait, if any wait at all, for
surgery in Canada. And now we know that his category of heart problem, far from being one Canadian surgeons can’t handle, is one of their fortes.
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So we are actually only talking about making 5-10% of the population to start paying into healthcare. Also we would be separating health insurance from employment with would make pay to go up due to employees not having to pay through their employer for healthcare, and pays would go up because employers weren't paying for their employee health insurance.
Any working American currently pays into Social Security, even if they are getting back all of their taxes, I don't see why health insurance has to be any different than how we collect Social Security.
People don't want to pay for 2 things in this country. Healthcare and education.
There isn't any perceived value in those 2 things.
There are already major complaints from folks who think paying 5% is too much.
U really think pay would go up if employers don't have to pay for healthcare? Again that's too idealistic. The government will impose taxes on employers to pay for healthcare.
Assume the worst in everyone. Always do that.
For example look what happened to welfare in the 1990s. It was radically changed and guess what? More and more people flocking to disability.
People don't want to pay for 2 things in this country. Healthcare and education.
There isn't any perceived value in those 2 things.
There are already major complaints from folks who think paying 5% is too much.
U really think pay would go up if employers don't have to pay for healthcare? Again that's too idealistic. The government will impose taxes on employers to pay for healthcare.
Assume the worst in everyone. Always do that.
For example look what happened to welfare in the 1990s. It was radically changed and guess what? More and more people flocking to disability.
Thank you for summing up what is wrong with this idiot country as we slowly fall from the top. Soon we will find our place in the world as the country full of idiots as our life expectancy slowly drops.
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