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Old 06-25-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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so are the feds excluded from intervening until a new basis is drafted by Congress? What would keep the House from scrapping the idea altogether and giving the states free reign? It just seems to me a lot of election oversight by the federal government was done away with (although I do understand and agree with the reasoning).
Nothing stops them from scrapping it, as you termed it. However, you do realize this election oversight was only for a few states, right? Based on 40 year old criteria at that.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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so are the feds excluded from intervening until a new basis is drafted by Congress? What would keep the House from scrapping the idea altogether and giving the states free reign? It just seems to me a lot of election oversight by the federal government was done away with (although I do understand and agree with the reasoning).
Maybe. It's not the courts place to rule based upon Congressional competency though.

It's not their place to rule that it's O.K. for the government to over reach simply because they are not competent enough to get it right.

So the courts ruled that they have to get it right or not at all. This really would not be something that difficult to get right if not requiring a bunch of morons to do it.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Good decision. The old maps are out of date and are punishing the wrong people. The hotbeds of racism and voter suppression have moved to the northeast and midwest over the last few decades.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:54 AM
 
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The Congress approved the extension of the legislation ... because few wanted to vote against it out of fear they'd be labeled unfairly. The Court's decision was very predictable. I believe the federal government has ample opportunity to bring legal action against a unit of local government, if abuse occurs. Let's see what happens at these local levels. Let them demonstrate they can be trusted.
The irony here is that GWB was elected because of abuse at the local level.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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Maybe. It's not the courts place to rule based upon Congressional competency though.

It's not their place to rule that it's O.K. for the government to over reach simply because they are not competent enough to get it right.

So the courts ruled that they have to get it right or not at all. This really would not be something that difficult to get right if not requiring a bunch of morons to do it.

Amen to that lol
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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Good decision. The old maps are out of date and are punishing the wrong people. The hotbeds of racism and voter suppression have moved to the northeast and midwest over the last few decades.
Exactly


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Old 06-25-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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The irony here is that GWB was elected because of abuse at the local level.
I don't disagree with you ... about the bad behavior by election officials in the state of Florida, but, where I live, Chicago, almost 200,000 ballots were spoiled in that election for various reasons ... most of them cast in favor of Al Gore, if I'm recalling correctly. We have inconsistent and flawed election procedures in this country. George W. Bush served two terms as U.S. President. The first: he was selected by the U.S. Supreme Court. The second: he was elected.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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so are the feds excluded from intervening until a new basis is drafted by Congress? What would keep the House from scrapping the idea altogether and giving the states free reign? It just seems to me a lot of election oversight by the federal government was done away with (although I do understand and agree with the reasoning).
No, the rest of the act stands as it should. The only thing tossed was the requirements placed on 9 states and numerous counties and cities to get fed approval before doing so much as moving a polling place.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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I don't disagree with you ... about the bad behavior by election officials in the state of Florida, but, where I live, Chicago, almost 200,000 ballots were spoiled in that election for various reasons ... most of them cast in favor of Al Gore, if I'm recalling correctly. We have inconsistent and flawed election procedures in this country. George W. Bush served two terms as U.S. President. The first: he was selected by the U.S. Supreme Court. The second: he was elected.
Lived in Chicago for 6 years, now Florida.

Guess I'll hit Detroit next for the corruption hat trick.
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Old 06-25-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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No, the rest of the act stands as it should. The only thing tossed was the requirements placed on 9 states and numerous counties and cities to get fed approval before doing so much as moving a polling place.
Except that now Congress must make new criteria to utilize Section 5. So, if Congress never makes new criteria, it's a moot law.
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