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Old 07-02-2013, 07:04 PM
 
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How much does his story really matter though? I think it will come down to whether or not he had the right to use lethal force. A broken nose and two lacerations on the head from a 16 year old aren't going to convince the jury that he had the legal right to use lethal force in self defense. People receive worse damage in bar fights all the time and don't pull out guns.

On another note, GZ said he yelled out "He's trying to kill me!" Couldn't he have yelled to Trayvon "My name is George, I'm with neighborhood watch!"?? Why didn't he do more to mitigate the situation instead of just pulling out a gun?
When the jury hears the law that pertains to self defense in Florida in closing arguments, they will understand that in the moment you don't get to evaluate your injuries when deciding if to use lethal force. You simply have to reasonably believe you may die or suffer great bodily harm. That is the law here.

 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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Pretty hard to get a DEEP cut on your scalp.

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It seems to me that allowing the college professor to testify to GM’s record and his class in SYG and sefl defense law is a gift to the defense.

MOM: “So what sort of topics did you teach Mr Zimmerman?”

Prof: “Self defense law.”

MOM: “For example, did you teach him that you do not need to sustain a given amount of injury in order to use deadly force?”

Then it also seems that this opens the door for admission of TM’s record of fighting and aggression.
You can get stitches on your scalp though. Actually, I think they use staples, but still.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Exactly! The PA didn't say that but George did.
Just like with his "broken" nose.

Why anyone would believe a word out of this guy's mouth about anything, but most especially about what really happened that night, is beyond me.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: FL
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Pretty hard to get a DEEP cut on your scalp.

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It seems to me that allowing the college professor to testify to GM’s record and his class in SYG and sefl defense law is a gift to the defense.

MOM: “So what sort of topics did you teach Mr Zimmerman?”

Prof: “Self defense law.”

MOM: “For example, did you teach him that you do not need to sustain a given amount of injury in order to use deadly force?”

Then it also seems that this opens the door for admission of TM’s record of fighting and aggression.
The problem with that is he said he had no knowledge but apparently he took a class about it. How did he forget. Didn't you watch him on Hannity?
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Houston
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On another note, GZ said he yelled out "He's trying to kill me!" Couldn't he have yelled to Trayvon "My name is George, I'm with neighborhood watch!"?? Why didn't he do more to mitigate the situation instead of just pulling out a gun?
LMAO!!, I will have to remember to say that in the case someone is beating the hell out of me.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The claim has actually been made in this thread.
perhaps but every time some one questions the veracity of Zimmerman's story we see the same retort.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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When the jury hears the law that pertains to self defense in Florida in closing arguments, they will understand that in the moment you don't get to evaluate your injuries when deciding if to use lethal force. You simply have to reasonably believe you may die or suffer great bodily harm. That is the law here.
And what they heard today shows them that Zimmerman had no injuries of any significance and that Zimmerman is a liar and can not be believed when he says he felt his life was in danger. There is nothing reasonable at all about his belief. It is a lie to save his hide. It's a jury of people, not lawyers. People know when they are hearing BS. Zimmerman is going to hang.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Pa
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How much does his story really matter though? I think it will come down to whether or not he had the right to use lethal force. A broken nose and two lacerations on the head from a 16 year old aren't going to convince the jury that he had the legal right to use lethal force in self defense. People receive worse damage in bar fights all the time and don't pull out guns.

On another note, GZ said he yelled out "He's trying to kill me!" Couldn't he have yelled to Trayvon "My name is George, I'm with neighborhood watch!"?? Why didn't he do more to mitigate the situation instead of just pulling out a gun?
He also could have done that early on when he told the 911 operator that TM was looking at him. He was in his car, he at that point had not violated any of the rules of the watch.
He could have identified himself at that point and just asked.
Hey I'm part of the neighborhood watch. I don't recognize you. Are you new to the neighborhood?
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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He also could have done that early on when he told the 911 operator that TM was looking at him. He was in his car, he at that point had not violated any of the rules of the watch.
He could have identified himself at that point and just asked.
Hey I'm part of the neighborhood watch. I don't recognize you. Are you new to the neighborhood?
I've seen this quite a bit on this thread. The idea of the butterfly effect. There are any number of decisions made by both Zimmerman and Martin that could have resulted in a different scenario. However, it's important to analyze what happened when the confrontation took place. Thus far, the prosecution has not managed to give any evidence that Zimmerman did not act in self-defense at that critical moment.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: FL
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He also could have done that early on when he told the 911 operator that TM was looking at him. He was in his car, he at that point had not violated any of the rules of the watch.
He could have identified himself at that point and just asked.
Hey I'm part of the neighborhood watch. I don't recognize you. Are you new to the neighborhood?
Exactly and I think that is what most people would do.
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