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Originally Posted by West of Encino
I'm not a libertarian nor do I have an affiliation. But I noticed a lot of criticism directed towards libertarians (usually from Democrats/statists, of course). Usually when someone talks about liberty and personal freedom, they're heavily debated and criticized.
What do people (mainly liberals) really have against libertarians or anyone who isn't a Democrat or Republican?
alot of the libertarians i come across claim to hate both Dems and Republicans, yet can name nothing they actually hate about Republicans, or simply never criticize them. Being silent is just as bad as defending it. it makes it sound like they are just R's who are socially liberal.
there are also plenty of Republicans who dislike Libertarians because they think they are republicans without a back bone.
If you knew the libertarian party is funded by the Koch Bros., maybe you'd acquire a firmer opinion. You do know who the Koch Bros. are, don't you? Libertarian + Republicans = teabaggers.
I am well aware of who the Koch Bros are and I am well aware that the Tea Party caters to their demands without being aware of what they are doing.
I'm not a libertarian nor do I have an affiliation. But I noticed a lot of criticism directed towards libertarians (usually from Democrats/statists, of course). Usually when someone talks about liberty and personal freedom, they're heavily debated and criticized.
What do people (mainly liberals) really have against libertarians or anyone who isn't a Democrat or Republican?
Because their viewpoint is incredibly unrealistic. It's something a great many have a juvenile tryst with, but then they usually come to their senses. I say juvenile, because to support such a philosophy in modern society is to deny how much more complex society is today than 300 years ago.
Unless you're really rich, then libertarianism makes perfect sense.
When the Republicans and Democrats stop catering to the Military-Industrial Complex, the Banks and the Police state
Then you will have Libertarians holding seats....
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Originally Posted by lionsgators
they don't have the purchasing power of the mainstream parties. I will take your party more seriously when the troops come home, and you stop deporting mexicans.
At the end of the day, it is the people that vote politicians into seats, if the Libertarians had a real message and people to run for those seats that had any connection with the people, they would have a better chance to win those seats, but when someone claims to be a Libertarian but votes for the Republican each election, how do you expect a Libertarian to ever win a seat?
they don't have the purchasing power of the mainstream parties. I will take your party more seriously when the troops come home, and you stop deporting mexicans.
Bullogna!
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The brothers contribute a large amount of money to a variety of conservative, libertarian
The Koch Bros. rank # 4 for the wealthiest Americans, according to Forbes. That should say something.
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Koch Industries won massive government contracts using their close relationship with the Bush administration. The Bush administration, in a deal even conservatives alleged was a quid pro quo because of Koch’s campaign donations, handed Koch Industries a lucrative contract to supply the nation’s Strategic Petroleum Reserve with 8 million barrels of crude oil. The SPR deal, done initially in 2002, was renewed in 2004 by Bush administration officials. During the occupation of Iraq, Koch won significant contracts to buy Iraqi crude oil.
Why would you say that? Because Wall Street banks and corporations won't fund a libertarian? That is true. They are serious, but won't have the bucks to buy or rig an election. The media won't give them fair coverage either.
Have you ever attended, seen or read transcripts of a Libertarian convention? They devote hours of time to debating what essentially boils down to, "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" They used to push for basically a loyalty oath in which you swear allegiance to the non-coercion principle. This is similar to what the American Communist Party did, insisting on some sort of oath. You'll observe that neither the Democrats nor Republicans insist you subscribe to some principle before joining. They'll take anyone who says they want to join. That's because they're actual organizations with some sort of order. If I were a journalist and I attended the Libertarian Convention, I wouldn't take it seriously, either. It's like a meeting of undergrad philosophy majors debating whether we can be certain that we exist. Them, along with some genuine looney tunes.
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