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Old 07-05-2013, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Much like losing the glasses on the top of your head or the cell phone / wallet in your pocket.
Pretty much.. You just don't spend all your time thinking about it... It's kinda second nature..

 
Old 07-05-2013, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I know from the trial that Tracy heard the 911 tape 2 weeks before Sybrina. Beause they're divorced you think it's normal for Tracy not to tell her what to expect to hear on the call. I think it's mean.
I know from the trial that Tracy heard the 911 tape 2 weeks before Sybrina and said it wasn't Trayvon's voice. Beause they're divorced you think it's normal for Tracy not to tell her what to expect to hear on the call. I think it's mean.

Fixed it for ya.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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I don't know.

The self-defense argument is questionable because I believe that Trayvon had a right to defend himself just as much if not more than Zimmerman.

Many aspects of Zimmerman's account do not make sense, as I've reiterated in this thread. For example, even George's statement that Trayvon said, "Tonight's your night to die ***."

That would make sense perhaps if Trayvon were indeed what Zimmerman perceived him as, a criminal, a thug. But this was a 17-year old school boy with no history of violent crime whatsoever, who was probably frightened. Trayvon did not have a gun on him. There is nothing to indicate that he had it in him to shoot another person, or even think of shooting a person just because they were fighting, but I believe he sure did try to resist getting shot.
If all the above we're true, you still can't say that they have met their burden of proof. At this point shouldn't you have a pretty clear idea of a state theory of events? There is still too many unanswered questions to convict.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:00 PM
 
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If Tracy said in any of his statements or deposition that he told Sybrina he heard the tape, ouch for both of them.
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It's why MOM made such a point about her not being prepared to hear the tape.

Someone would have told her what is on the tape before they played it.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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Pretty much.. You just don't spend all your time thinking about it... It's kinda second nature..
Yes, but wouldn't it come to mind if you're in a dangerous situation?
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:07 PM
 
Location: The Golden State, USA
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Right now, the defense has the prosecution beat.. If they put Zimmerman on the stand and he makes a mistake it could lead to a conviction that right now he isn't having to look at.. Putting Zimmerman on the stand would be a huge mistake and the defense knows it.
What do you mean "if he makes a mistake"? He's either guilty of murder or he acted in self defense. If he acted in self defense, how could he make a mistake on the stand?
This case boils down to whether the jury believes Zimmerman was telling the truth or not. The prosecution has already exposed him as a liar.
Since the defense also knows that if he makes a mistake on the stand it could lead to a conviction, it's all about beating the prosecution and letting a guilty man walk.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:08 PM
 
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Of course he made a mistake by getting out of the car to keep an eye on TM till cops arrived. But, He had no reason to believe it would become a physical confrontation though.
This ^^^^^^. Getting out of the car wasn't a wise decision. But many victims of crime do something stupid before they become victims. Walk down a dark alley at night, get really drunk at a party, leave their doors unlocked, etc. They don't deserve whatever crime happens to them because they did something stupid.

It's always better to protect yourself by making wise decisions. But making a stupid decision doesn't take away your right to defend your self against someone assaulting you.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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What do you mean "if he makes a mistake"? He's either guilty of murder or he acted in self defense. If he acted in self defense, how could he make a mistake on the stand?
This case boils down to whether the jury believes Zimmerman was telling the truth or not. The prosecution has already exposed him as a liar.
Since the defense also knows that if he makes a mistake on the stand it could lead to a conviction, it's all about beating the prosecution and letting a guilty man walk.
If that were always the case then they would have to take the stand. Theres a reason defendants dont have to take the stand.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:09 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Since the defense also knows that if he makes a mistake on the stand it could lead to a conviction, it's all about beating the prosecution and letting a guilty man walk.
He's not guilty until the jury says so and at this point it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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Both officers said that they felt he embellished his story some, but felt he was telling the truth. So, I will go on that. Although, aside from everything that is plausible, that is a strange thing for him to say.
People tend to forget that the Sanford PD came under fire for not doing enough of a thorough investigation and allowng a dead teen to remain a John Doe for two days even though they had his cell phone. Don't you think that they are covering their own butts to some degree?

How would it sound if they admitted to GZ's story being somewhat suspect to them to some degree, but let him go anyway and just chalked it up to an insignificant run of the mill case. Who the hell takes someone's word in toto under circumstances such as this??? I wonder if George Zimmerman was in the least bit curious as to the identity of who he killed.
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