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Old 07-12-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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If I break into your house, rush you and attack you, and then you shoot me, at the very least, the law is going to be more lenient with you. Anyone who believes the law isn't twisted, mangled, and manipulated depending on the situation, the person, and the politics involved is highly naive.

 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: FL
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That is what trial is for, sir. To argue whether or not Zimmerman was reasonable in his belief. My whole point is that he was not.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Or George swung and missed his mark or he just tried to grab Trayvon to hold him for the police and TM broke away.
Objection. Speculation.
Seems to me that speculating is what most of this thread is based on. We're not jury members. We're allow to do that on a discussion thread.

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If you can't prove this, the doubt goes to GZ
True, but even the defense's own Medical Examiner said a person could get hit and not leave marks.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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Being that opinions have steamrolled to greatly in the direction of Zimmerman being "not guilty" of the murder charge since the start of the trial, largely in part due to media coverage I'd have to assume, I wonder how the jurors feel about what they saw in the trial. The public has pretty much all come to believe the legal analysts' opinions of what they've viewed in the preceding, but they are all lawyers and have a much keener sense of what-is-what in court than a typical juror (who has likely spent zero time in court prior to jury duty and hasn't been trained to listen to quirky little details the way a lawyer has), and since they haven't had access to legal analysts during sequestration, it could be possible that they haven't dismissed the 2nd degree murder charge as emphatically as the public.

I didn't follow the case, but I remember how off the public was with the Casey Anthony verdict.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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Right, and ~ 15,000 deaths by firearm.
I believe my post was in response to a comment that said no one ever get killed by fist fights. Don't think anyone is arguing the amount of firearm deaths. I don't think he understood the death by Hands and fist was so common.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:33 PM
 
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Seems to me that speculating is what most of this thread is based on. We're not jury members. We're allow to do that on a discussion thread.



True, but even the defense's own Medical Examiner said a person could get hit and not leave marks.
Absolutely true. For anyone who follows boxing, just consider Money Mayweather.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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I am understanding on the Manslaughter charge that there is a case, in Florida law, where the ruling was appealed as you must offer all three instructions or options, i.e. , 2A, 2B and 2C. They only offered 2A, which is culpable negligence.

Maybe the Defense knew about the case and didn't put the Prosecution on notice.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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For one, an intruder is 100% up to no good. In Zimmerman's case, it's unclear how much he contributed to the scuffle. We do know, from witness testimony, and a bit from statements made by Zimmerman when he went on his talking tour, that he did instigate a confrontation by following TM. From there, it has to be obvious why the two situations aren't equivalent.
I was responding to the specific poster; that poster stated there are numerous things a person, in this case Zimmerman, could have done instead of shooting; my question to the poster is; are the ethics different inside the home than outside the home?
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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Is there a possibility of federal charges? Does anyone know?
 
Old 07-12-2013, 08:35 PM
 
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You do realize that while searching for TM, that GZ had already passed the intersection of the T, and was told by dispatch that they didn't need him to follow, and at that point he turned around and was passing the intersection again when the ran into each other. Why didn't he see TM the first time? Because TM was down closer to the bottom of the T where he lived. He came back to the intersection. Remember the four minutes?
Don't pretend to know what happened during those four minutes. You don't. Only George knows for sure and he's got a good reason not to be totally honest about it.
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