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But explain to me how this is any more difficult than shooting someone, punching yourself, and claiming plain old self defense?
Again, if you admit to instigating a fight, you are essentially denying yourself the protections of SYG. If you don't admit to instigating a fight, well, you are in no different a situation than anyone who commits murder and lies with a claim of self defense.
This may come as a shock to you - but I am not sure I am okay with this.
I am however 100% sure that I am not okay with the blatant misrepresentation and lies that abound when the subject is being discussed.
Then what's the point of having a stand your ground law? You don't need stand your ground to claim self defense when murdering someone.
Then what's the point of having a stand your ground law?
The point of having a stand your ground law is to clear up ambiguity.
SYG seeks to mitigate risk by allowing potential victims to use force without being required to make the decision whether or not to retreat in a potentially life threatening situation. Requiring them to make this decision in a split second could easily cost them their lives should they attempt to retreat out of fear of legal consequences, but fail at doing so.
The insistence upon this requirement is really armchair quarterbacking at its finest. I will not support a law that requires innocent victims of crime to put their lives at even 0.01% more risk in order to protect the physical safety of a criminal intending to do them harm.
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
You don't need stand your ground to claim self defense when murdering someone.
You're either misspeaking, or reversing your position and agreeing with me completely.
And that is how Zimmerman got away with murder, it is easy to lie and say it was in self defense when the other person is dead.
Innocent until proven guilty, right? You are functioning at the level of "guilty until proven innocent."
If you can't prove Zimmerman guilty, you can't say he got away with murder because he's innocent.
I do not know how in good conscience you claim that Zimmerman got away with murder. Maybe he did murder Trayvon but apparently the legal system disagreed with you. You weren't there and you weren't even on the jury.
If I go back to "innocent until proven guilty", you are just fabricating stuff to push a agenda or you are just completely ignorant. Either one is not good.
Then what's the point of having a stand your ground law? You don't need stand your ground to claim self defense when murdering someone.
You can claim all you want but what you proven in court is a totally different matter. You claim self defense if you actually murdered someone, it does NOT mean you will always get away with your murder.
Sure, if there's no witness and no physical evidence to correlate, you can get away with anything you say as long as you are consistent. It's not the flaw of the law and it has absolutely nothing to do with SYG or self defense. It has everything to do with "innocent until proven guilty."
Unless you suggest we change that, yes, you can get away with murder if there's no witness and no physical evidence. People do that all the time. Hell, if there's no witness and no physical evidence, why do you even NEED to claim anything? Just keep your mouth shut and move on. How can they even catch you?
You can claim all you want but what you proven in court is a totally different matter. You claim self defense if you actually murdered someone, it does NOT mean you will get away with murder.
Sure, if there's no witness and no physical evidence to correlate, you can get away with anything you say as long as you are consistent. It's not the flaw of the law and it has absolutely nothing to do with SYG or self defense. It has everything to do with "innocent until proven guilty."
Unless you suggest we change that, yes, you can get away with murder if there's no witness and no physical evidence. People do that all the time.
Hey, we can stop people from lying and claiming self defense. It'll be easy. All we have to do is abolish all self defense laws. Kill to defend yourself? Get 25 to life, or even the death penalty, just like any cold blooded killer.
That's about the only solution I see to the complaints being echoed here.
The attempt to pin false self defense claims on SYG alone is laughable.
Then what's the point of having a stand your ground law? You don't need stand your ground to claim self defense when murdering someone.
The point? So the victims don't need to be hauled through our legal system just because they defended their life. Think about it, if you are in a place where you have a right to be and you aren't committing any crime or soliciting a fight, why should you be put through our legal system after you shot someone who broke your nose, knocked you down, sat on top of you and bashed your head on the concrete floor?
The point of having a stand your ground law is to clear up ambiguity.
SYG seeks to mitigate risk by allowing potential victims to use force without being required to make the decision whether or not to retreat in a potentially life threatening situation. Requiring them to make this decision in a split second could easily cost them their lives should they attempt to retreat out of fear of legal consequences, but fail at doing so.
The insistence upon this requirement is really armchair quarterbacking at its finest. I will not support a law that requires innocent victims of crime to put their lives at even 0.01% more risk in order to protect the physical safety of a criminal intending to do them harm.
You're either misspeaking, or reversing your position and agreeing with me completely.
So stand your ground let's murder be the first option rather than the last option. Which is great when it comes to picking a fight with someone cause if they fight back, you can just shoot them and claim you were standing your ground.
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