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I correctly pointed out that Obama has an Imperial Presidency. You then attacked me falsely as someone who is a birther, someone who thinks Obama is a communist, someone who thinks he was born in Kenya, etc...
You are the one who avoided an honest intellectual discussion. I then invited you to read the article and then tell me why you agree or disagree and you chose not to. I knew you wouldn't. I don't think you can intellectually debate this topic...which is why you are diverting yet again.
So, Skoro, I challenge you, for a 2nd time. I want you to use your brain. Read the article. Is Obama an Imperial President - someone that expands government power beyond the scope of the constitution. And is this bad for liberals, as it sets a precedent for future presidents, some of which will be conservatives. Put together an argument of why you agree or disagree...
All I am asking you to do is be an adult and use your brain. You attacked me under false claims...and avoided the article's intellectual argument. I honestly don't think you can debate this. You are avoiding a debate, because you can't.
All that verbiage and childish invective to state the obvious: you hate Obama.
A rewarding hobby for the emotionally and academically stunted.
Obama is an Imperial President...expanding the powers of the president. Even things that Obama has said were illegal for a president to do, he has done. His supporters tend to ignore this as he has a D next to his name. However, Obama's Imperial Presidency is setting a precedent for future presidential actions. A future president will be a conservative. Do you want him or her to have the ability to be just as lawless as Obama with expanded presidential powers?
Many liberals do in fact have a problem with Obama. No disagreement there.
All that verbiage and childish invective to state the obvious: you hate Obama.
A rewarding hobby for the emotionally and academically stunted.
So in other words you can't argue the point. You run away from the argument of Obama acting as an Imperial President.
Either you know I am correct but are too emotionally connected to Obama to admit his faults or you lack the courage in your own intellectual abilities to have a debate.
Many liberals do in fact have a problem with Obama. No disagreement there.
Some. Many on here have such an emotional attachment to him they refuse to fault him with anything of real substance. Obama also enjoys a very high approval rating with liberals in the polling while doing poorly with moderates and conservatives.
I am glad that you can think clearly.
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Expanded?
Yes. I would argue that Obama as head of the executive branch has legislated more than Bush and given himself more power in regards to things like the Patriot Act.
For instance, the Dream Act - Obama as a constitutional law professor said it was illegal for him to do this on his own. When his own Democratically controlled Senate refused to pass it, he simply ordered his branch to pretend that the law had passed...after he said it was illegal for him to do what he did.
Obama is an Imperial President...expanding the powers of the president. Even things that Obama has said were illegal for a president to do, he has done. His supporters tend to ignore this as he has a D next to his name. However, Obama's Imperial Presidency is setting a precedent for future presidential actions. A future president will be a conservative. Do you want him or her to have the ability to be just as lawless as Obama with expanded presidential powers?
Jesus Christ, what in God's name is up with these stupid threads with these misguided views of our great President?
This President is extraordinary. He was given the worst mess in the history of this nation, courtesy of you Republicans and that village idiot president you elected and reelected. Bush handed over a country that was in an economic free fall. Did you get that? The country was headed for another Great Depression when Bush left to a sigh of relief by the entire free world. Your inept party decimated every domestic and foreign concern, created crisis after crisis. Thank God a smarter man took the helm. He was armed with far more talent and is superior in every way than any Republican.
But Conservatives fear the success that this man can bring if he has his way. So your party elevated its obstructive tactics to a level never seen before in history. Two of the three branches of our Federal government are broken mightily because of fearful, inept Republicans. Faced with this Neanderthal obstructionism, President Obama is within his right to do what he sees is best for the country.
President Obama's way is best...and don't you forget that either.
The only presidency we've ever had that approached being an imperial Presidency would have been Lincoln's. Lincoln used his war powers to expand the authority of the executive branch in ways that were unprecedented then, and which remain unique to his Presidency.
The actions enumerated by the author of the piece are not unprecedented in any way. Recess appointments have been made by the majority of our Presidents. Implementation of laws and enforcement of those laws is at the discretion of the President. Other Presidents have certainly used executive policy to enforce or to not enforce laws in ways which Congress did not intend. Obama has done NOTHING to suggest an imperial Presidency.
That doesn't mean that liberals or anyone else for that matter agree with everything the President does. As a liberal, I don't blame Obama for not closing Guantanamo. Moving the prisoners was blocked by the legislature. Many of Obama's actions are the result of the actions of Congress, or the inactions of Congress. That's the system of balances at play. On the other hand, I think Obama has been guilty of being high-handed with the press. And I think he's failed miserably at the policy of transparency that was a benchmark of his first campaign. I think that public relations have been a minefield for him, in part because the GOP has gleefully engaged in sniping and petty partisanship, in part because the executive branch of the government is an enormous bureaucracy where CYA is the rule (as it is in all bureaucracies), and in part because his team has failed to get ahead of snafus to prevent them, and instead cleaning-up after them.
There are legitimate complaints against the President. Imperialism isn't one of them. Rolling up his sleeves in the Oval Office isn't one of them. His travel costs isn't one of them. The fact that conservatives keep trying to make these things into issues, instead of focusing on the real issues, is a problem for conservatives. Because it takes away from the substance of their complaints.
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An absurd thread
Your inept party decimated every domestic and foreign concern, created crisis after crisis. Thank God a smarter man took the helm. He was armed with far more talent and is superior in every way than any Republican.
