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Old 07-16-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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Here it is, for those of you who care to read it. This is the part of the SYG law that supposedly applied to George Zimmerman.

[SIZE=2]776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—[/SIZE]

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

Is this law too vague, as some have suggested?

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Old 07-16-2013, 01:30 PM
 
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As soon as he stepped out of the vehicle, he should have been seen as "starting" the fight. I don't understand why GZ gets a pass on his vigilantism.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:31 PM
 
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does not have a duty to retreat if
This is the key difference between Florida law and states without SYG/Castle Doctrine laws. I don't see it as vague at all and to suggest a victim could be prosecuted becsue they didn't flee is absurd. That's why these laws came about, to protect the victim. If you're in sitution like that the last thing you need to be considering is if you can run away and if you don't will you be prosecuted if you don't.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:32 PM
 
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As soon as he stepped out of the vehicle, he should have been seen as "starting" the fight. I don't understand why GZ gets a pass on his vigilantism.
Just because you are being followed by a "creepy-a$$ cracker" (Martin's words), doesn't give you the right to start assaulting someone.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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Here it is, for those of you who care to read it. This is the part of the SYG law that supposedly applied to George Zimmerman.

[SIZE=2]776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—[/SIZE]

A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

Is this law too vague, as some have suggested?

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There is little doubt.. it is opaque to say the least.
The Law is the problem not the Jury's verdict. There was reasonable doubt because of the lack lucidness.
To many people do not understand this.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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As soon as he stepped out of the vehicle, he should have been seen as "starting" the fight. I don't understand why GZ gets a pass on his vigilantism.
How can stepping out of the vehicle be considered a crime?

We should go back and examine the Bernard Goetz case.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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There is little doubt.. it is opaque to say the least.
The Law is the problem not the Jury's verdict. There was reasonable doubt because of the lack lucidness.
To many people do not understand this.

I find the word "reasonably" to be subjective.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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I don't understand why GZ gets a pass on his vigilantism.
You don't understand what the word means, apparently.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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I find the word "reasonably" to be subjective.
It is- so how should the court system change?
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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I find the word "reasonably" to be subjective.
Yes it is subjective but it is also the foundation of our legal system. Google "Reasonable Person" and see what it means.
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