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What about "one unarmed person is dead", therefore no one can corroborate Zimmerman's "story" do people not understand? So let's ask a very simple question: do people honestly believe that Martin just out of the blue for absolutely no reason lunged & attacked Zimmerman? Really, for absolutely no reason. He's just walking down the sidewalk, Zimmerman walks up to him & Martin turns around & starts beating him up. Anyone who believes that, I got a bridge to sell ya.
How is this a liberal vs conservative question. Do all conservatives think that Zimmerman was in the right? I doubt it.
Regardless
1) if you were being followed, you may confront the follower. WTF are you following me. I thinks that a personal choice
2) Attacking the follower, for no reason, seems a bad decision. Of course, you could think the follower means you harm and you are trying to apply your own self defense?
3) we don't know the level of instigation at the time the fight began. i.e. follow plus getting called names may cause people to punch
Thank you ChrisFromChicago. I've been screaming this every day. Every topic is just some Liberals vs conservative (usually blame it on liberals) mud slinging. Rather than address any issue, they'd rather place blame on a group so they can start the blame game. We must have a large number of people that hang out in here with mental illness, it's the only way I can explain this ridiculous insanity in here.
It doesn't matter who started it...... Florida law states that if one person decides to withdraw from the conflict, and the other continues then it becomes aggravated battery instead of self defense. GZ did not fight back and instead just screamed for help. TM had no signs that he was ever hit.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—
The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
I am more a person who like to look at facts. There is not a shred of evidence showing Zimmerman was lying. Everything is consistent to what he said.
Then he is in the right.
Because there is only one side of the story because the other side is dead. But you have to admit there are holes in the story which have yet to be answered. I don't think Zimmerman has ever told everything that has happened, I think he omitted a few things that didn't work with his story and stuck to it.
I have read and been somewhat dismayed at the contentions of many liberals in "Zimmerman case". It appears as though the theme has been this-
"Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Martin, therefore he DESERVED to be attacked. In that regard, the FOLLOWING was the agressive act and that "stand your ground" does not apply".
So the question is:
If you are walking down a crowded urban street for several blocks, and someone ten feet in front of you "thinks" that you are following them, are they (under liberal law) allowed to beat you to death? I just want to get these "rules" straight, if and when the situation arises.
If i notice that you're following me around in a car and you jump out of the car and head towards me, your best bet wouldn't be to get within arm's length of me unless you're a cop or i know you from somewhere. That, or you'd better be damn quick in identifying yourself before you get close.
If you get within arm's length, you're gonna swallow your teeth. You're not getting the first punch in...i am.
It doesn't matter who started it...... Florida law states that if one person decides to withdraw from the conflict, and the other continues then it becomes aggravated battery instead of self defense. GZ did not fight back and instead just screamed for help. TM had no signs that he was ever hit.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—
The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
If i notice that you're following me around in a car and you jump out of the car and head towards me, your best bet wouldn't be to get within arm's length of me unless you're a cop or i know you from somewhere. That, or you'd better be damn quick in identifying yourself before you get close.
If you get within arm's length, you're gonna swallow your teeth. You're not getting the first punch in...i am.
That's only common sense.
When the cops show up the guy is going to say that he was just going to ask you for directions and you will go to jail.
Basically the jury just took Zimmerman's word for it that he was defending himself without considering the details that were presented to them.
Even Martin were able to testify, no jury would believe his words because minus the gun shot wound, Martin sustained no other injuries. It's extremely hard for anybody, particular a reasonable person, to believe that someone who didn't sustain any injury was NOT the aggressor.
What about "one unarmed person is dead", therefore no one can corroborate Zimmerman's "story" do people not understand? So let's ask a very simple question: do people honestly believe that Martin just out of the blue for absolutely no reason lunged & attacked Zimmerman? Really, for absolutely no reason. He's just walking down the sidewalk, Zimmerman walks up to him & Martin turns around & starts beating him up. Anyone who believes that, I got a bridge to sell ya.
He's black, a teenager, and was WINNING the fight...which makes him a thug. LOL..that's how people think.
I've asked time and time again why people call him a thug with no evidence to back it up.
By the same token, there is also no evidence that Zimmerman was a racist.
Truth is, no one, not even the jury, knows more than this:
Zimmerman followed him, they got into a fight, and Zimmerman shot him. That's all everyone knows...nothing more and nothing less. Only Zimmerman knows what happened that night and he's only obligated to tell his side. He's damn sure not gonna tell Martin's side.
Anything else is simple conjecture. None of us will ever know what happened that night. We just all have to live with it and accept it.
When the cops show up the guy is going to say that he was just going to ask you for directions and you will go to jail.
Even the guy says "I am following him", he's still going to prison for assault. Following someone is perfectly legal.
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