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Old 07-23-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Why do Americans love English Royalty?


What gives you the idea that we do?

Americans (and every other nationality) will stop and stare at a car crash, and talk about it. That doesn't mean they "love" car crashes.

The English Royalty, at least to me, are like dancing bears in a circus. Different, interesting to look at in a shallow, vapid way; though we all know they are in fact unimportant. In short, they are entertainment, no more.

Perhaps a more appropriate question to ask is:

Why do commentators observe something that is clearly no more than people observing casual, shallow entertainment, and conclude that those people "love" it, when there is no real reason to think they do?
I honesty can't understand why 21st century Brits are OK with the monarchy's existence... as backward, twisted and antiquated a system as it is.

It's almost like state governments in the Deep South openly honoring the system of slavery and keeping honorary slaves or the Germans celebrating a "Hitler day" or seeing a modern Italian bow to a statue of Nero or Julius Caesar.

Sure, the English royals haven't done anything REALLY terrible in over a hundred years and the sins of the father aren't necessarily the sins of the child...

...but I sure as hell wouldn't give Hitler's grandson a hug just because he's Hitler's grandson. But when we talk about English Royals, it's somehow OK.

I gotta wonder too if so many Americans are REALLY that interested in Kate's baby or if we are being force-fed the coverage... maybe it's a little bit of "training" for how we should behave towards our "masters".

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Old 07-23-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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Served in the military? My foot! They have "attended" the military for public consumption. And they wouldn't know what volunteering was unless it bit them on the azz. Their "volunteer" activities are a show, a PR stunt, a craven, counterfeit sideshow set up for the sole purpose of making them "look good". Are you so gullible that you don't recognize a photo op when it's handed to you?
Yes, served in the military. Harry is an Apache helicopter pilot with front line battle experience from 2 tours in Afghanistan. William was a RAF Sea King pilot actively engaged in search and rescue missions. Their service was more than a photo op.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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The Brits did behead their king, flirted with republicanism, didn't like it, then restored the monarchy.

Which King was that?
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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americans are more interested in important issues. like that fat chick kim kardashian and her wanna be rapper boyfriend. didn't she just crap out a child?

Kim Kardashian fat? lol
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Yes, served in the military. Harry is an Apache helicopter pilot with front line battle experience from 2 tours in Afghanistan. William was a RAF Sea King pilot actively engaged in search and rescue missions. Their service was more than a photo op.
Even Henry VIII rode out with the army in full armor for the express purpose of convincing the masses he was brave, bold and heroic.

http://www.metmuseum.org/Collections/search-the-collections/23936

...and few people at the time thought otherwise.

Just sayin'
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Served in the military? My foot! They have "attended" the military for public consumption. And they wouldn't know what volunteering was unless it bit them on the azz. Their "volunteer" activities are a ruse, a PR stunt, a craven, counterfeit sideshow set up for the sole purpose of making them "look good". Are you so gullible that you don't recognize a photo op when it's handed to you? And polite!?!?!? Oh Charles was so polite as he spread Camillas legs in some godforsaken bejewled royal parlor with antique furniture supplied by some poor waitress in Liverpool. How very civilized. How very polite. Screw vows, those are for the peasantry.

I'll take an honest welfare leech in this country over these vapid money-sucking charlatans. Any day of any week.

These people are not an ideal. They are a dead end. Their lives are not to be desired. They are to be repudiated. A quotidian existence is of infinitely higher honor than the bombastic somnolence displayed by these effete and ineffective stand-ins for real human beings. Human beings who achieve and earn, rather than wait for the next million dollar handout from a dysfunctional populace that doesn't seem to know any better.

I can't write any more about the Royal Inbreds. To do so forces me to consider them. And to do that forces me to confront nausea.
•The estimated total annual cost of the monarchy to taxpayers is £202.4m, around five times the official figure published by the royal household (£38.3m last year).
•The official figure excludes a number of costs, including round-the-clock security, lavish royal visits and lost revenue from the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.
•Civil List expenditure has increased by 94 per cent in real terms over the last two decades.
•Â£202.4m is equivalent to 9,560 nurses, 8,200 police officers and more than the total annual Ministry of Defence spending on food. The total cost is also equivalent to a number of high profile government cuts, including cuts to the Sure Start programme.
•The British monarchy is 112 times as expensive as the Irish president and more than twice as expensive as the French semi-presidential system.
•Britain's royal family is the most expensive in Europe at more than double the cost of the Dutch monarchy.
•Taxpayers are kept in the dark about the exact cost of the monarchy, due to the royal household's exemption from the Freedom of Information Act and widespread misunderstanding about the nature of the royal family's finances.


I have read that many Brits feel that the Royals more than pay for themselves by the amount of tourist revenue they bring into the country, but many argue that that is not the case.

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The 'Value for Money Monarchy' Myth

http://www.republic.org.uk/valueformoneymyth.pdf

The monarchy is expensive, very expensive. Of course it wouldn't matter if it were free, the cost to our democracy would still be too high. But when the palace PR machine tries to tell you they are 'value-for-money' don't believe it - we could get much better for far less.
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Old 07-23-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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Yes, served in the military. Harry is an Apache helicopter pilot with front line battle experience from 2 tours in Afghanistan. William was a RAF Sea King pilot actively engaged in search and rescue missions. Their service was more than a photo op.
Good, you keep believing that. It was a show. The photographs were taken with the dopes in their pilot's seats. They were never in any danger. They were protected, and secure, and coddled, and the whole sorry sideshow was a pathetic dissemblance. Wakey wakey!
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Which King was that?
Charles I of England - Ask.com Encyclopedia
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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•The estimated total annual cost of the monarchy to taxpayers is £202.4m, around five times the official figure published by the royal household (£38.3m last year).
OK let's use your figures. £202 million out of a £612 billion budget is only point zero three percent (.03%) of expenditures. That's 3 one hundreths of 1 percent. Sounds like a bargain to me.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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•The estimated total annual cost of the monarchy to taxpayers is £202.4m, around five times the official figure published by the royal household (£38.3m last year).
•The official figure excludes a number of costs, including round-the-clock security, lavish royal visits and lost revenue from the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.
•Civil List expenditure has increased by 94 per cent in real terms over the last two decades.
•Â£202.4m is equivalent to 9,560 nurses, 8,200 police officers and more than the total annual Ministry of Defence spending on food. The total cost is also equivalent to a number of high profile government cuts, including cuts to the Sure Start programme.
•The British monarchy is 112 times as expensive as the Irish president and more than twice as expensive as the French semi-presidential system.
•Britain's royal family is the most expensive in Europe at more than double the cost of the Dutch monarchy.
•Taxpayers are kept in the dark about the exact cost of the monarchy, due to the royal household's exemption from the Freedom of Information Act and widespread misunderstanding about the nature of the royal family's finances.



I have read that many Brits feel that the Royals more than pay for themselves by the amount of tourist revenue they bring into the country, but many argue that that is not the case.
Crown Estate and Crown Land.

The Crown is the single largest land owner in the world.
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