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Besides .. don't talk about common sense and logic, as you really aren't much of an authority on either, evidenced by such responses.
You're digging yourself an even bigger hole, because obviously you have ZERO common sense if you think a 500,000 ton building could be sabotaged without anyone noticing. "Such responses" is appropriate when such garbage is being spewed about. All these loony toon conspiracy theories have been thoroughly disproven
One and the same mathematical model, with one and the same set of parameters, is shown capable of
matching all of the observations, including: (1) the video records of the first few seconds of motion of
both towers, (2) the seismic records for both towers, (3) the mass and size distributions of the
comminuted particles of concrete, (4) the energy requirement for the comminution that occurred,
(5) the wide spread of the fine dust around the tower, (6) the loud booms heard during collapse, (7)
the fast expansion of dust clouds during collapse, and (8) the dust content of cloud implied by
its size. At the same time, the alternative allegations of some kind of controlled demolition are
shown to be totally out of range of the present mathematical model, even if the full range of
parameter uncertainties is considered.
These conclusions show the allegations of controlled demolition to be absurd and leave no
doubt that the towers failed due to gravity-driven progressive collapse triggered by the effects
of fire.
Yeah, way, way too many to have kept it all secret.
But it isn't a secret ... maybe to you it is ... and you see, therein lies the problem ... apparently it will remain a secret to you, even though I just told you the secret that isn't a secret. LOL.
You're digging yourself an even bigger hole, because obviously you have ZERO common sense if you think a 500,000 ton building could be sabotaged without anyone noticing. "Such responses" is appropriate when such garbage is being spewed about. All these loony toon conspiracy theories have been thoroughly disproven
One and the same mathematical model, with one and the same set of parameters, is shown capable of
matching all of the observations, including: (1) the video records of the first few seconds of motion of
both towers, (2) the seismic records for both towers, (3) the mass and size distributions of the
comminuted particles of concrete, (4) the energy requirement for the comminution that occurred,
(5) the wide spread of the fine dust around the tower, (6) the loud booms heard during collapse, (7)
the fast expansion of dust clouds during collapse, and (8) the dust content of cloud implied by
its size. At the same time, the alternative allegations of some kind of controlled demolition are
shown to be totally out of range of the present mathematical model, even if the full range of
parameter uncertainties is considered.
These conclusions show the allegations of controlled demolition to be absurd and leave no
doubt that the towers failed due to gravity-driven progressive collapse triggered by the effects
of fire.
Another graduate of the University of Wikipedia ... terrific.
Perhaps if we tried a bit of reverse logic .... let's say hypothetically that an aluminum plane was parked stationary, and this massive 110 story steel and concrete building was flying at it at 500 mph. Do you think the plane would cut through it, leaving a Roadrunner cutout the shape of the plane, or would the plane be smashed to bits?
Another graduate of the University of Wikipedia ... terrific.
Perhaps if we tried a bit of reverse logic .... let's say hypothetically that an aluminum plane was parked stationary, and this massive 110 story steel and concrete building was flying at it at 500 mph. Do you think the plane would cut through it, leaving a Roadrunner cutout the shape of the plane, or would the plane be smashed to bits?
Let's test your common sense!
Wikipedia is only as good as its sources, and I have posted two published papers from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (American Society of Civil Engineers), which is the leading authority on civil engineering research in the United States and vets everything submitted by the smartest people in the country. You come in here acting like you're an expert on Physics, yet if you really knew anything about Physics you would read the papers above and see that a controlled demolition scenario is impossible. Next, you'll be telling us how the American Society of Engineers is a government conspiracy to boobie trap all our roads and bridges
Another graduate of the University of Wikipedia ... terrific.
Perhaps if we tried a bit of reverse logic .... let's say hypothetically that an aluminum plane was parked stationary, and this massive 110 story steel and concrete building was flying at it at 500 mph. Do you think the plane would cut through it, leaving a Roadrunner cutout the shape of the plane, or would the plane be smashed to bits?
Let's test your common sense!
You don't need common sense or logic. You need physics.
Would you think a ping pong ball could go through a ping pong paddle that is made of plywood?
As the velocity of an object increases so does the force it imparts. You could put a marshmallow though one inch steel plate if you can get it going fast enough.
But it isn't a secret ... maybe to you it is ... and you see, therein lies the problem ... apparently it will remain a secret to you, even though I just told you the secret that isn't a secret. LOL.
A cast of thousands; heartless killers willing to murder
thousands of their own countrymen to profit some
shadowy corporation. And not a one talked.
Sounds like a cool movie.
When they were recruiting these murderers,
what did they do when one said, no?
There's a heaping serving of horsesh*t if I've ever seen it. The World Trade center was the busiest commercial office complex in Manhattan at the time. Thousands of people went in and out every day, the laws of LOGIC and COMMON SENSE would tell you that if some dastardly government saboteur out to bug your toothbrush and take away your god given machine guns were to "eliminate" the structural integrity of a half million ton building, SOMEONE would have seen some walls being torn open and some major structural work being done. You don't just "eliminate" structural integrity, that's just such a completely dumb notion.
Pesky common sense
So?
A lot of people don't pay attention to the maintanence/consruction going on in commercial buildings. It makes a lot of noise and everyone knows it; especially when overhead or next door.
500,000 tons?
Again...A lot of people don't pay attention to the maintanence/construction going on in commercial buildings. It makes a lot of noise and everyone knows it; especially when overhead or next door.
Construction work and remodeling is quite frequent inside of huge commercial office buildings. I use to install some unique custom wood flooring jobs for commercial offices. When an entire suite is being gutted/remodeled it is a lengthy procedure and people get used to it quickly and accept it as a daily thing no matter how long it goes on; about 4-6 mos.
A cast of thousands; heartless killers willing to murder
thousands of their own countrymen to profit some
shadowy corporation. And not a one talked.
Sounds like a cool movie.
When they were recruiting these murderers,
what did they do when one said, no?
Why would someone involved in a murder plot want to expose themself to prosecution by talking to the authorities? The goal of a criminal conspiracy is to get away with it, not get caught. Guilty conscience? Nah. People who do these things are sociopathic and don't possess much of a conscience to begin with. If they had a conscience they wouldn't have done it in the first place.
Even if someone did ever talk they would simply be dismissed as either lying or crazy, or just ignored.
Wikipedia is only as good as its sources, and I have posted two published papers from the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (American Society of Civil Engineers), which is the le it?ading authority on civil engineering research in the United States and vets everything submitted by the smartest people in the country. You come in here acting like you're an expert on Physics, yet if you really knew anything about Physics you would read the papers above and see that a controlled demolition scenario is impossible. Next, you'll be telling us how the American Society of Engineers is a government conspiracy to boobie trap all our roads and bridges
Blake...You should go and collect your check before the guy that signs your check notices that you're doing a lousy job. Some of you guys, like GuyNTexas, have done a great job of explaining that the towers coming down from fires is absurd. There are thousands of engineers that have signed petitions to the government after doing analysis of their own. It's easy to buy off a few groups, especially when the government has the clout of agencies like the IRS, now isn't it? Yet a few thousand engineers trying to petition the government never receives air time.
I haven't read everything posted here, but I have noticed that some of the many strange 'reasons' why 9/11 took place haven't been mentioned. Like Donald Rumsfeld's speech on 9/10 about how the Pentagon was investigating how over 2 TRILLION dollars went missing from the military, and the very office that was struck by that missile, ( a 757 doesn't leave a hole that is no bigger than a double car garage opening, and leave behind a cruise missile engine), killing all those that were involved in that investigation. - And why all of the camera film of the area was taken by the FBI and never released, except for the parking lot film which shows a white streak hitting the building that was too small to be anything but a missile. - The eyewitnesses that never appeared on the media, yet were interviewed by others that told a story of a military style plane dropping something as it approached the Pentagon, and then climbed up out and away. - The testimony of General Stubblebine that the government story of 9/11 is a lie. - The stock market trading in regards to American and United Airlines that was done prior to 9/11. - The notification of certain people that were normally workers at WTC no to go to work that day. - The relationship of the Bush family and the Bin Laden family. - The testimony of the woman in Pennsylvania that witnessed the cruise missile fly over her van and explode in the field, and then she was grilled by the FBI to change her testimony. - The fact that Leon Panneta stated that V. P. Dick Cheyney took charge of the military and told them to "stand down". - How about those Israelis that were caught dancing on a van as they filmed the towers; something that they were prepared to do before the event? And after being arrested, they were all released and allowed to fly quickly back to Israel. - The fact that the BBC broadcast the collapse of the towers before the actual collapse took place. - How about the fact that 6 of the 19 supposed hijackers were later found alive and well in their respective countries. - And the BIGGEST is WTC 7. We're supposed to believe Larry Silverstien, as he remorsefully says, "We had to pull it", in response to questions as to why WTC 7 came down, thinking that Americans are too stupid to realize that the words "pull it" refers to demolishing a building. Also was the fact that LArry recently insured the WTC and knew that it contained aspestos. - And I almost forgot to mention GW Bush's younger brother, who was in charge of security at the WTC, and the weekend closings of the towers in the weeks before 9/11. - The fact that much of the paperwork involving investigations into Wall Street shenanigans by the Security and Exchange Commission were lost in the collapse of the building.
It's amazing that there are SO many Americans that will trust and swallow the BS that the government spews out, even after they realize that there is such wide spread corruption! People like those that will stand up and tell these things in the face of continuous lies and stupidity. This 9/11 thing was not only something that involved portions of our government, but also involved Wall Steet, the Federal Reserve, and the Israeli government.
Then there's the less obvious, like the fact that the White House Press Corp needs to tell what the White House says, or they will lose their press pass. They are no longer journalists, they are there for the money. The Three Stooges could have done a better job. At least they were up front with their shenanigans.
I don't care how many engineers
can dance on the head of a pin;
that many people can't keep a secret.
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