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Old 08-04-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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Those programs listed fall under the definition provided, and whether they are bankrupt or not has little relevance on their status as socialist programs.
However for expanded understanding feel free to list your own list of examples as to what qualifies as socialist programs.
No they dont.. Socialism is the government PRODUCING things.. The items you listed dont produce a dam thing.. There is nothing to be produced and distributed by police, fire, etc

 
Old 08-04-2013, 05:59 PM
 
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Those programs listed fall under the definition provided, and whether they are bankrupt or not has little relevance on their status as socialist programs.
However for expanded understanding feel free to list your own list of examples as to what qualifies as socialist programs.
no, they do not.

your statement only proves that you do not know what socialism is at all.
 
Old 08-04-2013, 06:00 PM
 
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Heres a few American socialist programs that seem to be working .
For those anti socialist would you like to see the end of these tax payer funded resources that benefit many?.
*military
*police
*firefighters
*voting
*Medicare
*Medicaid
*Social Security
*healthcare (via emergency room, for people who can't pay)
*public libraries
*public schools
*government college grants, scholarships, and loans
*roads (except toll roads)
*the FDA
*the EPA...
BWAHAHAHA !

that's is the most ignorant statement ever encountered in the whole thread.

there is "voting " in socialism, there is no CHOICE, though. it is a one-party system
 
Old 08-04-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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No it isn't, the definition of socialism is social ownership of the means of production, not state, you don't know what you're talking about. If the state owns the means of production instead of the workers maintaining a capitalist mode of production then the state acts as the capitalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Capitalism

50% of every transaction is controlled. The money supply and interest rates.

A free market needs free market money.

ergo, we have a communist/socialist economy.
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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Socialism - Facts from the Encyclopedia - Yahoo! Education

general term for the political and economic theory that advocates a system of collective or government ownership and management of the means of production and distribution of goods. Because of the collective nature of socialism, it is to be contrasted to the doctrine of the sanctity of private property that characterizes capitalism. Where capitalism stresses competition and profit, socialism calls for cooperation and social service.
I'm talking about the state operating it in a capitalist manner, which yes is state capitalism.
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:05 PM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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Name for me one billionaire who has gotten rich without providing jobs...
The market provides jobs not the billionaires.
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:09 PM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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BWAHAHAHA !

that's is the most ignorant statement ever encountered in the whole thread.

there is "voting " in socialism, there is no CHOICE, though. it is a one-party system
There can be voting in socialism in fact it's more likely with democratic ownership of the means of production. How about you look into what socialism actually means instead of looking at capitalist countries with socialist rhetoric as examples.
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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There can be voting in socialism in fact it's more likely with democratic ownership of the means of production. How about you look into what socialism actually means instead of looking at capitalist countries with socialist rhetoric as examples.
History shows that "democratic control" of socialist nations is the exception to the rule.

Need I remind you of absolute power corrupting absolutely?
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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The market provides jobs not the billionaires.
Okay, so name all the poor people that have employed you...

Your move...
 
Old 08-04-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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50% of every transaction is controlled. The money supply and interest rates.

A free market needs free market money.

ergo, we have a communist/socialist economy.
Since when is socialism the opposite of a free market? And since when does capitalism mean free market? Capitalism is about private ownership of capital, we have plenty of that in America, I don't believe the US ever had a free market though.
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