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Old 07-29-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by Mason3000 View Post
So why has autism spiked over the past 30 years while air pollution has declined?
Air pollution has declined where? Air has no borders. Furthermore, are you taking into account things like flame retardants in our cars, carpets, clothes, furniture, etc? We breathe that crap in, and it can cause brain damage.
We have tons of that stuff in our bloodstreams.
http://www.nrdc.org/health/flame-ret...oxic-couch.asp

 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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vaccines are not only dangerous, they are designed to cause disease, and break down healthy immune systems.
Now explain why cases of polio have drastically decreased when according to your claim they should have become more common.
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Exposure to toxic flame retardants have been linked to real and measurable health impacts. Women with higher levels of flame retardants in their blood take longer to get pregnant and have smaller babies. Children exposed in the womb have lower IQs and attention problems. Other studies have linked flame retardants to cancer, male infertility, male birth defects, and early puberty in girls. A recent study in animals has linked toxic flame retardants to autism and obesity.

From my link. This doesn't really count as air pollution, but we breathe it in.
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Air pollution has declined where? Air has no borders. Furthermore, are you taking into account things like flame retardants in our cars, carpets, clothes, furniture, etc? We breathe that crap in, and it can cause brain damage.
We have tons of that stuff in our bloodstreams.
NRDC: Toxic Chemicals in our Couches

air pollution IS NOT linked to autism.

at least not by the links you have provided
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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I dunno..1994 wasn't so bad for me.

(Chicken Pox vaccine introduced in 1995)
I said "vaccines" as in all of them so I'm not sure why you're calling the period before the chicken pox vaccine "before vaccines". There were plenty of vaccines around before chicken pox.


I remember lining up at school to get the polio vaccine on a sugar cube. I have a cousin who is deaf due to her mother being exposed to the measles before she was born.



The fact is that childhood mortality has declined since we started vaccinating our children. Vaccinations are a good thing. Of course, nothing is without risk but the benefit to risk ratio is definitely in favor of vaccinating.
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Despite all the propoganda and lies being fed to the population, vaccines are not only dangerous, they are designed to cause disease, and break down healthy immune systems. Center for Disease Control, think about that - they control disease. They are there to cause more dependency upon the system. Do your research and never assume authorities have your best interest at heart. People in authority only know what they have been taught, and they are taught to conform, just as you are. Question everything you are told, especially when you see such a massive effort to use force. If you are not well informed, you cannot give informed consent. Do not go along to get along, your health and that of your children is at stake.

A Pox on the CDC

Vaccination | Wake Up World
Please explain exactly how this global "Big Pharma" shenanigans takes place? In over 100 countries, in thousands of hospitals, universities, research centers, and laboratories there are pediatricians, infectious disease specialists, immunologists, pharmacologists, public health workers, virologists, chemists, microbiologists, etc., etc., working on infectious diseases and vaccines. How is it possible that they all reach the same conclusions if there is some supposed collusion with this "Big Pharma"? Is there a secret annual meeting, brainwashing, secret handshakes?

There are thousands of articles published every year following thousands of different research projects on this topic in hundreds of different centers around the globe. Please explain who controls all of the data and results, and why are we not hearing bout this great big con? Where is the legitimate data proving "vaccines cause disease"?
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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air pollution IS NOT linked to autism.

at least not by the links you have provided
Oh, good Lord!

Women who were exposed to the highest levels of diesel or mercury in the air were twice as likely to have a child with autism than women who lived in the cleanest parts of the sample," study author Andrea Roberts, a research associate with the Harvard School of Public Health, told The Huffington Post.
Earlier studies have established a potential connection between air pollution and autism risk, but have concentrated on a few individual states. The latest study, published in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives on Tuesday, draws on a large sample of women across the whole country.
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I said "vaccines" as in all of them so I'm not sure why you're calling the period before the chicken pox vaccine "before vaccines". There were plenty of vaccines around before chicken pox.


I remember lining up at school to get the polio vaccine on a sugar cube. I have a cousin who is deaf due to her mother being exposed to the measles before she was born.



The fact is that childhood mortality has declined since we started vaccinating our children. Vaccinations are a good thing. Of course, nothing is without risk but the benefit to risk ratio is definitely in favor of vaccinating.
Yeah I know but most people associated "life before vaccines" going back near 100 years.
A cleaner, healthier environment also helped. It's not all due to only vaccines.
 
Old 07-29-2013, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Please explain exactly how this global "Big Pharma" shenanigans takes place? In over 100 countries, in thousands of hospitals, universities, research centers, and laboratories there are pediatricians, infectious disease specialists, immunologists, pharmacologists, public health workers, virologists, chemists, microbiologists, etc., etc., working on infectious diseases and vaccines. How is it possible that they all reach the same conclusions if there is some supposed collusion with this "Big Pharma"? Is there a secret annual meeting, brainwashing, secret handshakes?

There are thousands of articles published every year following thousands of different research projects on this topic in hundreds of different centers around the globe. Please explain who controls all of the data and results, and why are we not hearing bout this great big con? Where is the legitimate data proving "vaccines cause disease"?
I wouldn't be surprised if they do in a small number of cases but that would be, completely, overshadowed by the lives that are saved via vaccines. Nothing is without risk. What you have to look at is the risk to benefit ratio and that is definitely in favor of vaccinating. Before vaccines, it was unusual for a family to not lose a child to childhood illness. Now it's very unusual to lose one to childhood illness and most of the time when you hear of children dying of them, they're not vaccinated.

Moms Who Vaccinate, And Those Who Wish They Had | Shot of Prevention

Worst whooping cough outbreak in 70 years....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensa...c-in-70-years/

Measles outbreak in anti vaccination community...

http://www.ibtimes.com/dutch-bible-b...ildren-1331617

The anti vaccers won't be happy until children dying of preventable disease is a normal occurrence again.

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Old 07-29-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Please explain exactly how this global "Big Pharma" shenanigans takes place? In over 100 countries, in thousands of hospitals, universities, research centers, and laboratories there are pediatricians, infectious disease specialists, immunologists, pharmacologists, public health workers, virologists, chemists, microbiologists, etc., etc., working on infectious diseases and vaccines. How is it possible that they all reach the same conclusions if there is some supposed collusion with this "Big Pharma"? Is there a secret annual meeting, brainwashing, secret handshakes?

There are thousands of articles published every year following thousands of different research projects on this topic in hundreds of different centers around the globe. Please explain who controls all of the data and results, and why are we not hearing bout this great big con? Where is the legitimate data proving "vaccines cause disease"?
Well there have been a few articles criticizing the Bill Gates "vaccinate in emerging countries" program.
Clean water and better sanitary conditions and some food also go hand in hand with getting your shots.

There was a story of an entire African village vaccinated against measles.
But the prevailing diseases there were Yellow Fever and Malaria.
The village had no clean water, no sewage and were living on 1 meal a day.

What the article was trying to point out that getting a vaccine is not the only factor in dealing with infectious diseases. FWIW it was not an anti-vaccine article either.
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