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The other is the rampant attitude in IT amongst American-raised employees where they feel cheated on because work is offshored or taken by visa-holders. Do Americans think that corporations care about them when they can get the same work done somewhere else or by someone else for less and with less drama?
doubtful
they're probably more concerned about the fact that it is happening in their industry, but not in other, more-protected white collar industries.
if india started churning out J.D.'s and shipping them over here, politicians would have a sh*t fit.
Its funny because I work in IT with lots of Indians and I notice the trend is reversing. Companies are trying to get rid of Indians and hire Americans, because the Indians often don't do very good work, aren't as good at coding, and also have a hard time understanding the requirements or communicating with non-technical customers (since English isn't their first language).
One project I was on was almost exclusively Indians, both here and offshore. But every time one of them rolled off the project, they were replaced by a non-Indian. I don't think it was a coincidence.
The company I work for now found this to be true. They tried out-sourcing to India, it was a complete failure. They may have been technically adept, but with rare exception, the nuances of the projects escaped them and they apparently couldn't deliver on time or on budget, a common complaint.
A company has to pay money to sponsor an H1-B visa.
In fact, many jobs require American citizenship.
Exactly. I work in the financial services sector of IT. Some positions require American citizens to hold those positions due to the sensitivity of the data and the infrastructure.
It's being done with Nurses now....I think a lot of us KNOW how it feels-
Oh god, tell me about it. Last time my mother was in the hospital, not one of her nurses or doctors was American. Not one.
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Name one then. Just one.
I am not sharing my friends' and colleagues' names on this public forum. However, I have known programmers and other IT professionals who have been out of work for 6+ months after the end of a contract or after being laid off. It's also getting more difficult to find work, to even get your foot in the door, because if a recruiter hasn't drunk the 'Indians are better' Kool-Aid, they are themselves Indian. Not having an Indian name is a serious handicap in IT in DFW.
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A company has to pay money to sponsor an H1-B visa.
In fact, many jobs require American citizenship.
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Only the Federal Government requires citizens.
Not even city/state governments require citizens to work.
You don't have to be a US citizen to work for my company, but you do have to be a US citizen to work on some of our projects...government agencies and regular Wall Street companies alike. One extremely well-known client of ours insisted in writing that only American citizens be allowed to work on their data. That's why I was hired in the first place. Many of our prominent clients either require US citizens only work on their data, or strongly prefer it. Thank g-d.
For one project I had to pass a background check for a security clearance that was just recently granted. It took 11 months. If people wonder why government IT work takes so long, think about all the security clearances that have to be issued to third-party vendors like us and how long they take to process, then realize that we can't even start working until we have clearance.
Indians are GOOD talkers too, even better than Americans (though they have a unique accent).
They are not Chinese or Koreans.
The Indians can thank their lucky stars that they were an English colony, at least now they can, because English is manditory in their education. I do admit that they can throw around the bs as well or better than their American managerial counterparts, but it is often a challenge to make sense of their writing. Even though they use correctly spelled words, the sentences are often structured as to be either ambiguous or unintelligible.
We are lucky that the Chinese/Koreans were not forced to learn English else they would be at least as dominant in IT as the Indians.
The Indians can thank their lucky stars that they were an English colony, at least now they can, because English is manditory in their education. I do admit that they can throw around the bs as well or better than their American managerial counterparts, but it is often a challenge to make sense of their writing. Even though they use correctly spelled words, the sentences are often structured as to be either ambiguous or unintelligible.
We are lucky that the Chinese/Koreans were not forced to learn English else they would be at least as dominant in IT as the Indians.
Chinese and Koreans are forced to learn English too, but only in "English classes".
I heard India uses English in all subjects since high school.
Plus, Hindi is an Indo-European language.
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If people wonder why government IT work takes so long, think about all the security clearances that have to be issued to third-party vendors like us and how long they take to process, then realize that we can't even start working until we have clearance. 
