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Old 08-18-2013, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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When 60% of American families are wholly dependent upon government for salaries, pensions and / or entitlements, what else did you expect?

No recipient will ever support a reduction in benefits or vote for those who do.

Unfortunately, the policy of "tax them and bribe me," inevitably ends in total collapse.
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Because most seniors are too broke to afford cable so all they see are msm programs which scare the hell out of them with lies.

Most seniors who actually planned for retirement instead of trusting the governments promise of big pensions and SS rail against the dems.
FOX sure seems to do a lot of ads for Depends and Lifeline ( which may be paid for by Medicare)
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Um, math class time
Obama 5 years
Bush 8 years
Clinton 8 years
= 21 years..

So yes, 20+ years

McCain, Bush, nor Romeny were "conservative"
As a famous lady once said, " what does it matter?

Congress controls the purse strings.
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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I have a feeling you think Medicare is free.

Of course you'd be wrong.

It is nothing more than an insurance policy for which the insured pays a monthly premium.

Now you know.
I am fully aware of what Medicare is and is not. Government stepped in to insure the uninsurables.

Government has been paying out more than individuals contributed since day one.
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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A simple fix to America's Health Care problem(including HC for seniors) is to let people who can't afford insurance, are refused coverage, or can't afford the cost of care to die when seriously ill or injured. No person, no problem. This notion that it is noble to make sure everyone has access to proper healthcare is moronic at best.

I'm not sure what the Dems were thinking with the ACA, it's half baked at best. It's time to toss most of it and institute single payer or expand refundable tax credits to include insurance premiums(for a more free market approach).
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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I have a feeling you think Medicare is free.

Of course you'd be wrong.

It is nothing more than an insurance policy for which the insured pays a monthly premium.

Now you know.
Medicare is deficit financed. Seniors that pay Medicare premiums do not pay enough to keep Medicare solvent. And let's not forget about the medicare taxes that fund medicare.

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statisti...ads/tr2012.pdf

Medicare expenditures came to $549.1 billion in 2011. Here's a breakdown of the revenue side of the equation:

• Payroll taxes, $195.6 billion
• Interest, $15.2 billion
• Premiums, $68.5 billion
• Taxation of benefits, $15.1 billion
• General revenue, $223.3 billion
• Transfers from states for prescription drug benefits, $7.1 billion
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:58 PM
 
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A simple fix to America's Health Care problem(including HC for seniors) is to let people who can't afford insurance, are refused coverage, or can't afford the cost of care to die when seriously ill or injured. No person, no problem. This notion that it is noble to make sure everyone has access to proper healthcare is moronic at best.

I'm not sure what the Dems were thinking with the ACA, it's half baked at best. It's time to toss most of it and institute single payer or expand refundable tax credits to include insurance premiums(for a more free market approach).
The poor aren't driving or controlling healthcare costs. Since the 1930/1940's the healthcare market has become less and less competitive, with accelerated hospital consolidation occuring since the 80's/90's.
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The poor aren't driving or controlling healthcare costs. Since the 1930/1940's the healthcare market has become less and less competitive, with accelerated hospital consolidation occuring since the 80's/90's.
The increased cost of U.S. healthcare consistently outpaces inflation. Some of this is due to new procedures and medications and people are living longer and better because of it. The other side of the coin is all about BIG Pharma, BIG Medical Equipment and BIG Hospital interests and lobbies.

These special interests make U.S. healthcare the most expensive in the world, in side by side comparisons.

The same political party that sponsored Medicare Part D (prescription drug) in 2003 is the same party majority that denied Medicare the ability to negotiate prices, as is done everywhere else in the word. It was a win-win for Big Pharma and a swell pay back for $ billions in lobby money. And every cent of it is deficit spending.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Um, math class time
Obama 5 years
Bush 8 years
Clinton 8 years
= 21 years..

So yes, 20+ years

McCain, Bush, nor Romeny were "conservative"
Your math stinks. President Obama was sworn in January 20th 2009. In this math universe that is not 5 years. It won't be 5 years until January 20th 2014.
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