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Old 08-28-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Why is it that suicide is acceptable but leaving the nation seems like a crazy idea, I cant seriously be the only one that would simply leave if I had too many liabilities I did not like. I would tell the judge ok have a nice day, not tell anyone anything and start making preparations to leave.

Why dont more guys (or some women) do this? Is suicide just easier and they dont want to put in the effort of learning a new language or doing the paper work for a visa etc?
People would like to be able to see their children and grandchildren, for one thing.

Also, many countries will extradite someone for not paying alimony.

Finally, if you have a pension or Social Security, they court will garnish your income in the US before it ever gets to you in a foreign country. If you are independently wealthy and can live without income, go right ahead.

 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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i think you want the legal forum...
That would make too much sense.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:20 PM
 
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That would make too much sense.
This is a relationship issue. People need to know what happens in some jurisdictions like New Jersey, Florida, Oregon and Colorado when the relationship ends.

It is important to note that in Colorado, you don't even have to marry to be stuck with alimony. It is common after a LTR ends for one person to get a lawyer and try to have the relationship declared a marriage after the fact, so that they can collect alimony.

No wedding here, no marriage license, but she got alimony anyway, after simply living with a guy for five years:

Bad divorce thrusts Boulder County woman into homelessness - Boulder Daily Camera
 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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This is a relationship issue. People need to know what happens in some jurisdictions like New Jersey, Florida, Oregon and Colorado when the relationship ends.

It is important to note that in Colorado, you don't even have to marry to be stuck with alimony. It is common after a LTR ends for one person to get a lawyer and try to have the relationship declared a marriage after the fact, so that they can collect alimony.

No wedding here, no marriage license, but she got alimony anyway, after simply living with a guy for five years:

Bad divorce thrusts Boulder County woman into homelessness - Boulder Daily Camera
It's a legal issue.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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It's a legal issue.
Maybe there should be a sub-forum somewhere for divorce, if there isn't already.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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People would like to be able to see their children and grandchildren, for one thing.

Also, many countries will extradite someone for not paying alimony.

Finally, if you have a pension or Social Security, they court will garnish your income in the US before it ever gets to you in a foreign country. If you are independently wealthy and can live without income, go right ahead.
Alot of countries only extradite for capital offenses, not debts, no matter how much the USA tries to turn the debt of alimony or child support into a "crime", most other nations dont see it that way, they see it as any other debt like a credit card and rarely enforce it.

You dont need to be independantly wealthy you just need to be able to secure employment overseas and have a little money to get by on maybe own a small house there etc. Yea you might loose your SS if your ex spouse can out live you.

Sounds better than suicide to me, you dont get to see grand kids if you kill yourself becasue your living in boarder line poverty due to all your liabiliites or cant do what you want to do in life becasue of it.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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Alot of countries only extradite for capital offenses, not debts, no matter how much the USA tries to turn the debt of alimony or child support into a "crime", most other nations dont see it that way, they see it as any other debt like a credit card and rarely enforce it.

You dont need to be independantly wealthy you just need to be able to secure employment overseas and have a little money to get by on maybe own a small house there etc. Yea you might loose your SS if your ex spouse can out live you.

Sounds better than suicide to me, you dont get to see grand kids if you kill yourself becasue your living in boarder line poverty due to all your liabiliites or cant do what you want to do in life becasue of it.

It is a common misconception that alimony is a debt. It is not. It is a court ordered obligation, and as such, you can not get out of it by declaring bankruptcy, and you can be jailed if you do not pay. The closest analogy is that it is a perpetual fine levied against you by the court, but payable to your ex. Technically you cannot be jailed in the US for having a debt, so they get around that little inconvenience by declaring you in contempt of court for not paying alimony. Then, not only can you be arrested, but you can be jailed for an indefinite period with no trial, and no legal counsel. The record for being held in jail for non-payment of alimony is 14 years. Many, many countries will extradite you for contempt of court. The ones that don't are generally not countries in which you would choose to live.

If you miss even one alimony payment, the court can garnish your wages, confiscate your tax returns or Social Security, and seize assets, including retirement accounts.

DO NOT MARRY in a state that has alimony, and DO NOT MOVE to a state that has alimony if you are already married.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 04:09 PM
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Ever wonder why the demographic with the highest suicide rate is middle aged, divorced men? Now you know.
You seem to be confusing correlation with causation. It is much more likely that the same personality problems or mental health issues that lead to the suicide were also a source of marital strife and the catalyst for the divorce.
 
Old 08-28-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Alimony is an outdated concept. Should the non-custodial parent pay child support? Absolutely!
 
Old 08-28-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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Ever wonder why the demographic with the highest suicide rate is middle aged, divorced men? Now you know.
I suspect this has more to do with loneliness and a feeling of failure than anything else. I was really surprised when a male friend of ours getting a divorce kept repeating that he failed at the most basic job of being a man and that getting a divorce was basically being fired from being a husband. This guy, by the way, was not forking over any alimony, as their incomes were comparable, and his children were already grown.
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