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Do you think that only the "gay" anti-discrimination laws should be repealed, or ALL anti discrimination laws?
Should I be allowed to refuse services to Christians? Or men? Or women? Or blacks? Or Asians? Or Muslims? Or Hispanics? Or Heterosexuals?
The irony is that so many "Christians" seem to have no problem with laws that discriminate against gays, but the moment they feel that they're discriminated against in even the slightest manor, they scream bloody murder. Fair is fair and they can't have it both ways. In other words, you have to give what you take.
A Christian photographer refusing to work a same-sex marriage for religious reasons is no different than a Muslim cab driver refusing transportation because their fare ate a ham sandwich or a BLT.
If you choose to do business with the public, then you are bound by public law, whether or not it agrees with your personal/religious beliefs... which you are allowed to have because of the very same public laws.
If you don't want to abide by public and commerce laws, you can always change your business model to private membership (not open to "public"), and can set any limitations on service that you want. You don't have to shut down your hard-earned business, just legally change the business model to "members only". This is how private bars can still allow smoking and private clubs can still restrict blacks and women. But if you want to do business with "the public", you have to do business with ALL the public.
Oh yes, they should just close up their hard earned business to appease gay ppl who can simply go find a different photographer. That is what really irritates me. Your side wants to show ZERO tolerance and respect for other people's sacred beliefs.
No, they can believe whatever they want. How they conduct business, on the other hand, is a matter of law. So sorry that irritates you, but I'm not sure why that matters. If it makes you feel better it's a safe bet that these laws weren't written with irritating you in mind.
The irony is that so many "Christians" seem to have no problem with laws that discriminate against gays, but the moment they feel that they're discriminated against in even the slightest manor, they scream bloody murder. Fair is fair and they can't have it both ways. In other words, you have to give what you take.
Actually it was the gay couple that made a big stink and spectacle of the whole ordeal. The Christians just politely asked to have their beliefs respected.
A Christian photographer refusing to work a same-sex marriage for religious reasons is no different than a Muslim cab driver refusing transportation because their fare ate a ham sandwich or a BLT.
Or... Muslim cab drivers refusing to transport service dogs, or passengers carrying alcohol.
This was precisely the issue a few years ago in the Twin Cities involving cab drivers serving customers at MSP, the largest airport in the Midwest after O'Hare. The majority of said cab drivers were and are Muslim. The issue was that numerous cab drivers were refusing to serve customers with dogs (including service dogs, such as guide dogs) and customers with alcohol (not at all an unusual item being carried by someone returning from a vacation in wine country, most foreign countries, or just a stop at an airport shop on the way down a terminal).
Their excuses? The usual excuses - religious justifications for their discrimination.
Commissioners at one of the country's biggest airports are considering punishing Muslim cab drivers who refuse service to passengers possessing alcohol or guide dogs.
The cabbies claim transporting those items violates Islamic law.
"It is against our faith and the airport is discriminating against Muslim drivers," says a cab driver who would only give his first name, Hashim.
"This is discrimination," proclaimed Ahmed Shine, a taxi driver for seven years.
Abdifatah Abdi, who said he was speaking for an association of cabdrivers, said the commissioners "will be judged on your decision. "You are deciding the livelihood of 600 drivers and their families," Abdi said. "Say no to discrimination. Say yes to justice for the weak."
What logic - not exempting religious individuals from an anti-discrimination law is discriminatory?
It's also nonsensical. Making Muslims obey a law everyone has to obey would only be discriminatory if the law was enacted specifically to discriminate against Muslims. But the local laws establishing requirements for accomodating service dogs weren't enacted to discriminate against Muslims. So it is with laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
Muslim cab drivers at Minnesota's biggest airport will face new penalties including a two-year revocation of their taxi permits if they refuse to give rides to travelers carrying liquor or accompanied by dogs, the board overseeing operations ruled Monday.
The Metropolitan Airports Commission, responding to complaints about the liquor issue, voted unanimously to impose the new penalties beginning in May.
A large number of taxi drivers in the area of the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport are Muslim Somali immigrants. Many say they feel the faith's ban on alcohol consumption includes transporting anyone carrying it. Some also have refused to transport dogs, both pets and guide dogs, saying they are unclean.
And you can darn well bet that as soon as a Muslim refused a fare to an 'infidel', the howls of protest would quickly arise from the same people demanding the right to discriminate based on their own religious excuses.
Actually it was the gay couple that made a big stink and spectacle of the whole ordeal. The Christians just politely asked to have their beliefs respected.
You mean to tell me that a christian would not be screaming bloody murder if someone refused them service? You guys already have a conniption fit if everyone doesn't say merry christmas instead of happy holidays. Get real.
No, they can believe whatever they want. How they conduct business, on the other hand, is a matter of law. So sorry that irritates you, but I'm not sure why that matters. If it makes you feel better it's a safe bet that these laws weren't written with irritating you in mind.
So you would be perfectly fine and happy for a local law to punish you for FORCING you to do something you find morally offensive? Yes or No
So you would be perfectly fine and happy for a local law to punish you for FORCING you to do something you find morally offensive? Yes or No
Do you think it is ok for Muslims to refuse fares if you have a dog, or a BLT, or alcohol?
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