Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Wow, this copywrite BS is something that must have been dreamed by the Mafia.
You mean you think our Founding Fathers were the mafia? seeing as Copyright is WRITTEN into the US Constitution.
Quote:
Let's take the movie "Austin Powers, International Man of Mystery" for example. My kids have the VHS version around here somewhere we paid for. They also have DVD's they paid for (when VHS went out).
I pay for Showtime, Starz and HBO of which I pay every month. So how many times am I paying for these damn movies?
1) that dvd and vhs you have paid a license to watch the movie as many times as you want, when you want
2) your SUBSCRIPTION to cable channels (or part of your cable fees) pay for the license that these CHANNELS use to show these shows on their channel. YOU have no control over when you can see it, and how many times you see it. On national channels, the ADVERTISERS pay for that license for you (and hope that YOU buy their product in return)
Big difference between your examples.
Quote:
And they want to prosecute some college kid who wants to watch a movie on line for free?
Yes, why not? that kid is not paying in one for or another to see it.
Quote:
And there are lemmings here defending this malarkey? Wow.
So you honestly think that:
1) the actors
2) the producers
3) the costumers
4) the studios
5) the grips
6) the set designers
7) the construction workers
8) the engineers
9) the artists
10) the music creators
11) the make up artists
12) the caterers
13) the sound designers
14) the camera operators
15) the editors
16) the electrical engineers
17) the cities/locations/rentals/etc
18) and all of the other crew, logistics and staff needed to make a movie....
Why would you pay to see breaking bad when you can down load it or stream it?
If you mean through legal means (like Hulu or Netflix) you are paying a fee for their services to do so.
If you mean illegally, then you are committing a crime.
Quote:
If you want to throw your money away that is your choice. But don't ask others to be stupid.
so its stupid to think that:
1) the actors
2) the producers
3) the costumers
4) the studios
5) the grips
6) the set designers
7) the construction workers
8) the engineers
9) the artists
10) the music creators
11) the make up artists
12) the caterers
13) the sound designers
14) the camera operators
15) the editors
16) the electrical engineers
17) the cities/locations/rentals/etc
18) and all of the other crew, logistics and staff needed to make a movie....
Why would you pay to see breaking bad when you can down load it or stream it? If you want to throw your money away that is your choice. But don't ask others to be stupid.
You don't think the people who work fairly hard to make a quality product like Breaking Bad deserve to be compensated for their labors?
If someone steal a car on your lot, your profit margin is zero on the car. If someone makes a copy of your movie, the profit margin remains the same, you just have (maybe) one less sale.
There is still (possibly) a monetary loss when copyright infringement occurs.
Why would you pay to see breaking bad when you can down load it or stream it? If you want to throw your money away that is your choice. But don't ask others to be stupid.
Everyone has their own preferences. Some people aren't obsessed with money and would prefer to just have everything on their DVR when they get home. Others don't mind waiting until it is available to stream on AMC and Netflix. And then you have those who would prefer to be law breakers with disrespect for those who put in hard work to make the show and pirate it.
I don't care to debate what people mean by "theft". . .i.e. i say theft only occurs when Aliens are involved, and they take something from the earth. If its still on earth it isn't theft. . .thats not the debate
It is ethically wrong to pirate movies, software, etc
I got to this conclusion through Kant's universal maximum. Take a event/decision and assume its done by everyone. If everyone pirated their movies, would the outcome be negative or positive.
if everyone pirated, the event would be negative. if everyone pirated producers wouldn't be paid, and movies would cease to exist.
Theft A criminal act in which property belonging to another is taken without that person's consent.
The term theft is sometimes used synonymously with Larceny. Theft, however, is actually a broader term, encompassing many forms of deceitful taking of property, including swindling, Embezzlement, and False Pretenses. Some states categorize all these offenses under a single statutory crime of theft.
Pretty obvious to me.
In the meantime --- until you figure it out ---- why don't you post your home address so that all forum members may partake of the services available to you by pirating your electric power, your telephone, cable, water and satellite, because, you know, piracy really isn't stealing, and if forum members can get those services for free, just by pirating them, then that's the way it ought to be.
If you mean through legal means (like Hulu or Netflix) you are paying a fee for their services to do so.
If you mean illegally, then you are committing a crime.
so its stupid to think that:
1) the actors
2) the producers
3) the costumers
4) the studios
5) the grips
6) the set designers
7) the construction workers
8) the engineers
9) the artists
10) the music creators
11) the make up artists
12) the caterers
13) the sound designers
14) the camera operators
15) the editors
16) the electrical engineers
17) the cities/locations/rentals/etc
18) and all of the other crew, logistics and staff needed to make a movie....
be paid for their work?
How about the guy at 3M who invented Scotch Tape? He made billions for his company and all he got was his salary. No royalties, nothing.
Same with the guy who invented the post it note.
The rules are written to protect these rich aholes and they have you brainwashed it seems.
They got their money when they sent their movie to the theaters and when they sold their DVD's/
THEY CHOSE to put their product on a format that is easy to copy and redistribute, and then they cry about the results.
This is not our problem, they made these choices. If they can't figure out how to lock down the code on their product, again-put the music back on vinyl and the movies back on tape.
How about the guy at 3M who invented Scotch Tape? He made billions for his company and all he got was his salary. No royalties, nothing.
You apparently do not know that those employees are under contract, and that anything CREATED on behalf of the company belongs to the company.
Richard Drew was an employee of 3M when he invented the Scotch Tape and Masking Tape and Cellophane tape While under their employment, all of his inventions are claimed by the company he worked for.
Quote:
Same with the guy who invented the post it note.
Art Fry, though credited with creating Post-It-Notes, actually used his colleagues (Spencer Silverman's) accidental glue formula to produce the non-stick re-positionable note paper, simply because he was looking for a non-permanent stick paper for his hymnbook.
And seeing as YOU don't know, 3M allows its employees about 10%-15% of their time to work on "pet projects". Post-It-Notes was one of these pet projects.
Quote:
The rules are written to protect these rich aholes and they have you brainwashed it seems.
When you have a **** poor understanding of how copyright works, how creative works while employed belongs to the company you work for, work, you come off as being very ignorant on the process.
Quote:
They got their money when they sent their movie to the theaters and when they sold their DVD's/
So you don't believe in royalties? (wait a minute you just complained that certain people do not get royalties)
and you don't believe that the earnings off of one movie, helps to fund the next movie. And hire those workers to work on that movie.
If they don't make the money or profit off of one movie, the next project may not be considered, or less budget is allocated (meaning less people are hired and trickle down to affecting the rest of the economy).
Quote:
THEY CHOSE to put their product on a format that is easy to copy and redistribute, and then they cry about the results.
the same **** poor excuse was used for records and audio tapes. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now. The ease of copy and distribution doesn't NEGATE that its still illegal to do so.
Quote:
This is not our problem, they made these choices.
IT is our problem. Because that next tv show may not be made, that next movie will be bit-bucketed. Your favorite band may not produce the next album, an artist will not make another painting or print, that book writer will not finish the series he wrote for the past 30 years.
Quote:
If they can't figure out how to lock down the code on their product, again-put the music back on vinyl and the movies back on tape.
And there is no difference of the medium. Vinyl is as easily recordable to digital as is movies on VHS tapes.
No matter what, consumers DON't WANT the code to be "locked" down. The studios tried, and it failed. FIVE TIMES.
The ease of copy and distribution doesn't NEGATE that its still illegal to do so.
You apparently do not know that those employees are under contract, and that anything CREATED on behalf of the company belongs to the company.
Richard Drew was an employee of 3M when he invented the Scotch Tape and Masking Tape and Cellophane tape While under their employment, all of his inventions are claimed by the company he worked for.
Art Fry, though credited with creating Post-It-Notes, actually used his colleagues (Spencer Silverman's) accidental glue formula to produce the non-stick re-positionable note paper, simply because he was looking for a non-permanent stick paper for his hymnbook.
And seeing as YOU don't know, 3M allows its employees about 10%-15% of their time to work on "pet projects". Post-It-Notes was one of these pet projects.
When you have a **** poor understanding of how copyright works, how creative works while employed belongs to the company you work for, work, you come off as being very ignorant on the process.
So you don't believe in royalties? (wait a minute you just complained that certain people do not get royalties)
and you don't believe that the earnings off of one movie, helps to fund the next movie. And hire those workers to work on that movie.
If they don't make the money or profit off of one movie, the next project may not be considered, or less budget is allocated (meaning less people are hired and trickle down to affecting the rest of the economy).
the same **** poor excuse was used for records and audio tapes. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now. The ease of copy and distribution doesn't NEGATE that its still illegal to do so.
IT is our problem. Because that next tv show may not be made, that next movie will be bit-bucketed. Your favorite band may not produce the next album, an artist will not make another painting or print, that book writer will not finish the series he wrote for the past 30 years.
And there is no difference of the medium. Vinyl is as easily recordable to digital as is movies on VHS tapes.
No matter what, consumers DON't WANT the code to be "locked" down. The studios tried, and it failed. FIVE TIMES.
The ease of copy and distribution doesn't NEGATE that its still illegal to do so.
Hey if you want to feel sorry for them have at it. They will NEVER stop piracy. The Pirates will always be 2 steps ahead of them. They sit there in their mansions and wring their hands about the millions they are losing while they are making billions.
Maybe it's a problem, but in the grand scope, it's a very unimportant problem to me. I don't care if half of what they make is stolen. They are mostly scum.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
