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Old 09-18-2013, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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After a three year non-stop disinformation campaign waged by the right, you are surprised that people have a low opinion of a program that hasn't even rolled out yet? The House Cons have tried to repeal it so many times that many people think they must have succeeded by now. The law has not yet begun to work. Let's revisit this in a year, after people have had a chance to see the many beneficial things there are in the ACA. That's a scary thought for cons, isn't it?
After a three year non-stop propaganda campaign waged by Obama you'd think everyone would love it. Based on your perspective the right now has more influence than Obama.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:04 AM
 
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The Bots here want their 'free' healthcare and they don't care if the government will steal the money from YOU, the taxpayer, or if it's stolen from your future via money printing and currency debasement.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:10 AM
 
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There's this thing called reality. You should look into it sometime.


Social Security slipping closer to insolvency, government warns - Los Angeles Times
SS isn't even close to being insolvent. In about 20 years or so the benefits will be cut by 28%, but it's not like SS was ever a retirement plan. Though some people try to treat it as one.

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You mean change the rules on those who have already paid in?
Um, yeah, the SCOTUS already established that the rules regarding SS can be changed retroactively. FICA taxes pay for current seniors, not your future retirement.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:15 AM
 
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In about 20 years or so the benefits will be cut by 28%
This is so hilariously uninformed it's laughable.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:29 AM
 
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After a three year non-stop propaganda campaign waged by Obama you'd think everyone would love it. Based on your perspective the right now has more influence than Obama.
I will concede that the rightwing disinformation machine is very powerful, and they have the so-called fair and balanced "news" station as their 24/7 mouthpiece to propagate to the ignorant. They are most definitely better at it than the left.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:32 AM
 
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Soci security is fine. Just need to raise the retirement age because we are living so much longer. Sucked for folks who died at 61 back then. Sucks for those that die at 69 now. Death sucks.

My opposition to obamacare is I worry what else they are going to mandate I buy. Its not the program itself, we have to pay for reagans national healthcare somehow.
Lets fix social security for good. New retirement age 90. It will be solvent as a money grab for a long time.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:40 AM
 
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This is so hilariously uninformed it's laughable.
My numbers come directly from the trustee's report.

Trustees Report Summary

"After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund asset reserves to the extent that program cost exceeds tax revenue and interest earnings until depletion of total trust fund reserves in 2033, the same year projected in last year’s Trustees Report. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through 2087."

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I will concede that the rightwing disinformation machine is very powerful, and they have the so-called fair and balanced "news" station as their 24/7 mouthpiece to propagate to the ignorant. They are most definitely better at it than the left.
The median age of a FOX viewer is 65+. Maybe seniors are just gullible.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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12 more days and the exchanges open for business.
There's no turning back now.
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:01 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Both sides have made their case. While a change in opinion is always possible, the fact remains that on the issue of Obamacare the people don't like it and don't want it, which is why defunding it will prove far more popular than the people who have drunk the kool-aid of conventional wisdom can even imagine.
Defunding Obamacare is another fantasy dreamed up by the party of Stupid. It is not going to happen. So, popularity is a moot point.

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After a three year non-stop propaganda campaign waged by Obama you'd think everyone would love it. Based on your perspective the right now has more influence than Obama.
Actually, the administration has not been great about countering all the incessant negativity presented by the RWNJ. They have done a much better job.

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I will concede that the rightwing disinformation machine is very powerful, and they have the so-called fair and balanced "news" station as their 24/7 mouthpiece to propagate to the ignorant. They are most definitely better at it than the left.
Yes.

[quote=HappyTexan;31453013]12 more days and the exchanges open for business.
There's no turning back now.[/quote]

Will someone tell Ted Cruz?
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:02 AM
 
Location: california
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something is seriously wrong, when congress voted them selves exempt from it.
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