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Old 09-26-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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I am in the middle of catching up on all Breaking Bad episodes on Netflix, and it just dawned on me that drug dealing is pure capitalism. It must be a Libertarian's dream. No real restraints, just cut throat competition, regulated soley by supply and demand with a minimum of government regulation or interference. The product can be diluted with no regard to safety. The restraint is provided by the police, but the police don't have a huge presence in some areas and if you're making enough money, most people, including cops and politicians, can be bought for the right price.

Look at the problems in Mexico. Will that happen here?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:25 PM
 
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Ummm, the drug business is totally reliant on government interference in the market. It is the exact opposite of pure capitalism, but is very useful as a way to illustrate the evils of government meddling in the economy. The war on drugs with its massive government spending guarantees inordinately high profits, which begets the violence and terror and crime associated with protecting lucrative franchises.

If you wanted to see pure capitalism in the drug business, legalize it all, lay off 50% of the cops and judges and wardens, give the resulting peace dividend back to the taxpayers. How many problems do we have with Walgreens and CVX selling liquor, versus the gang violence associated with Prohibition?
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Sex trafficking is another example of supply and demand, but there's that little problem with the commodity being sold against their will.

Once users are addicted to drugs, do they also have the free will to make a choice not to use without some type of intervention?

I don't think those illegal activities are good examples of unrestrained capitalism because we do have laws prohibiting the industry.

A better example of unrestrained capitalism is Lucy setting up the lemonade stand and charging 50 cents for a glass of lemonade. She makes good lemonade, no one dies from it or becomes so addicted to it they are willing to kill for it. And the government doesn't shut her down for not carrying the appropriate licenses and permits. She is actually able to keep most of the money she has earned, and the government doesn't expect her to give 60% of her profits away to the kid riding around on his skateboard all day.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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The problems with drugs is that they ARE regulated by the US government... so... no, not unrestrained capitalism... try again... people have tried to decrease the regulation on drugs... I wonder what would happen if weed was not banned by the US government... what would happen to all those jail cells... wow, sounds like a good idea to me...
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:37 PM
 
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It is absolutely amazing what some people will call free market capitalism.

It doesn't seem to matter how dishonest, someone will go spouting nonsense, as if they think they are so clever nobody else will notice they're wrong.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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I am in the middle of catching up on all Breaking Bad episodes on Netflix, and it just dawned on me that drug dealing is pure capitalism. It must be a Libertarian's dream. No real restraints, just cut throat competition, regulated soley by supply and demand with a minimum of government regulation or interference. The product can be diluted with no regard to safety. The restraint is provided by the police, but the police don't have a huge presence in some areas and if you're making enough money, most people, including cops and politicians, can be bought for the right price.

Look at the problems in Mexico. Will that happen here?
Your premise: Failed
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Your lame attempt to slam Libertarianism: Uber Fail!!!!
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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The problems with drugs is that they ARE regulated by the US government... so... no, not unrestrained capitalism... try again... people have tried to decrease the regulation on drugs... I wonder what would happen if weed was not banned by the US government... what would happen to all those jail cells... wow, sounds like a good idea to me...

Me thinks that a lot of those who are part of the Prison Industrial Complex would have to find a new line of work. Or they would have to actually fight real crimes instead of shaking down, and prosecuting people for possessing, consuming, or cultivating a plant!
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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I am in the middle of catching up on all Breaking Bad episodes on Netflix, and it just dawned on me that drug dealing is pure capitalism. It must be a Libertarian's dream. No real restraints, just cut throat competition, regulated soley by supply and demand with a minimum of government regulation or interference. The product can be diluted with no regard to safety. The restraint is provided by the police, but the police don't have a huge presence in some areas and if you're making enough money, most people, including cops and politicians, can be bought for the right price.

Look at the problems in Mexico. Will that happen here?
I guess you've never heard of desoxyn. I suggest you google it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 02:58 PM
 
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The problem with drug addiction is that it destroys freedom of choice, one of the bedrock principles of capitalism (competition, opportunity cost, and supply/demand are the others). By definition, an addict can't voluntarily stop consuming drugs without some external intervention, and furthermore consumption of drugs will have a destructive effect on addict (especially if they haven't fully developed personal responsibility - kids). Of course, the Social Darwinists would argue that letting drug addicts self-destruct would in the long run be the best solution for society; however unfettered drug suppliers would start competing for younger and fresher "customers". The only restraint would be the addict's ability to make money, either through legitimate work or crime. In 3rd world countries with lax law enforcement, it's not uncommon to see 7 y.o. kids on the streets with addiction problems. That's the "Libertarian Ideal" that they don't want to face and hence call this thread 'failed'.
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