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I wonder if this is the reason that the Tea Party is so foaming at the mouth opposing it. Which red state resident that receives affordable insurance is going to vote for the guy that wants to strip it away? Could this be the radical right's motive for their rebellion?
I think this is the case. Obamacare may be the tool that finally makes the middle class voters in the red states rethink their allegiance to the Republican party. The God, gays and guns strategy has been used for a long time by the GOP to get people in states like Kentucky to vote against their own self interests. Obamacare may be the thing that gets those people to reevaluate all of the propaganda that they have been fed by the Fox News/right wing radio/GOP media machine.
Despite the claims of the grassroots nature of the Tea Party, it has been proven that they really are just a front group for a cabal of corporate overlords like the Koch brothers. It is these wealthy corporate interests that demand that the Tea Party politicians oppose things like Obamacare. I believe that the GOP and their corporate puppet masters are scared chitless that people that have historically voted Republican are going to figure out that they have been scammed for decades into electing people that have been actively working against them in favor of the 1% that actually control the GOP and the Tea Party.
This is why the current crop of republicans is truly scraping bottom. Deny a fundamental right to millions of fellow citizens, even their own voters, so they can stick it to the uppity guy. Pathetic is too kind a word.
It is pathetic and the thing is in the future, conservatives will be defending Obamacare to the death when the fight over single payer comes around.
conservative in the future will be quoting President Obama about what he said about single payer and how was too large a step and not right for America. A quote like this.
"Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured."
Healthcare is no more a right than a retirement fund. The work and expertise of others is in no way your "right."
Healthcare is life itself, so you prefer to see life itself as a privilege for the well-heeled of society. Comparing life itself to a retirement fund?? How about your investment portfolio - doing okay?
Despicable - but typical of the sociopathic conservative mind.
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Originally Posted by shooting4life
I'm wondering when health insurance became a fundamental right.
No one is being denied health insurance, people have the CHOICE to purchase health insurance if they feel it is in their best interests. 85% of Americans have health insurance.
If you want more people to choose health insurance then you should have started with tort reform and improving the economy (since most insurance comes as part of a compensation package). Obama has done nothing to address the rising costs of health coverage and just mandated people have it, then force others to pay for it. It is a crappy system where the only group to benifit are a small minority who will be on the dole and large health care providers. The democrat way, handouts to those who make poor life choices and big business on the backs of the middle class.
You're "wondering" about healthcare as a "right" are you? Bet you are a "Christian" as well.
You might stop listening to Fox. What "choice" is it when regardless of income an insurance company can deny or drop you on a whim? That is not a "choice" at all, and is not a statement of conservative income-based "responsibility".
What happened to your famous right-wing claim of "right to life" - just another big lie eh? For fetuses only, then after birth you have the "responsibility" of not getting sick. How about the infant that's born defective? Yeah, too bad about that, but hey, not my problem.
As Rep. Alan Grayson facetiously says of the repub view, if you get sick just die quickly to spare others the inconvenience. "Despicable" is hardly the right word for such a belief.
The "rising costs" of health care is courtesy of Reaganomic republicon deregulation. So Obama hasn't fixed the republicon mess fast enough for you?
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Originally Posted by Iamme73
It is pathetic and the thing is in the future, conservatives will be defending Obamacare to the death when the fight over single payer comes around.
conservative in the future will be quoting President Obama about what he said about single payer and how was too large a step and not right for America. A quote like this.
"Obama says he supports the idea of universal health care but does not think a single-payer government system is feasible. He says the government should be the health care provider of last resort for the uninsured."
Let's remember, it is conservatives who labelled it "Obamacare" as a derogative. Once it starts working and becoming popular, conservatives will attempt to own it by saying (via fair-and-balanced Fox Noise) that it was a conservative idea all along, and aren't we all ashamed for rejecting their ideology.
Yeah, it is similar to RomneyCare, and they will drop the name "Obamacare" from all their rhetoric like a hot rock, instead calling it something else like "The Republican Affordable Care Act" or "Republi-Care" - or maybe "Heritage Care" after the fascist Heritage Foundation which earlier devised a similar program as a wet kiss to the insurance industry. Obamacare is not only a compromise, but is also a similar wet kiss to the republicon corporate base.
It's no secret that the GOP wants to stop Obamacare before it starts is because they desperately fear it will work, which will undermine their whole view that government can't do anything.
I basically agree but do think that it is not because the GOP thinks government can't do anything, but rather the GOP believes that government should do nothing.
I think this is the case. Obamacare may be the tool that finally makes the middle class voters in the red states rethink their allegiance to the Republican party. The God, gays and guns strategy has been used for a long time by the GOP to get people in states like Kentucky to vote against their own self interests. Obamacare may be the thing that gets those people to reevaluate all of the propaganda that they have been fed by the Fox News/right wing radio/GOP media machine.
Despite the claims of the grassroots nature of the Tea Party, it has been proven that they really are just a front group for a cabal of corporate overlords like the Koch brothers. It is these wealthy corporate interests that demand that the Tea Party politicians oppose things like Obamacare. I believe that the GOP and their corporate puppet masters are scared chitless that people that have historically voted Republican are going to figure out that they have been scammed for decades into electing people that have been actively working against them in favor of the 1% that actually control the GOP and the Tea Party.
Healthcare is no more a right than a retirement fund. The work and expertise of others is in no way your "right."
It is a 'right" if a majority of the American people claim it to be. The American people can ordain what they wish a "right".
You should read your constituion again. We the people made drinking alcohol unconstitutional, then reversed it. We have that ability to make anything we wish a "right".
Healthcare is life itself, so you prefer to see life itself as a privilege for the well-heeled of society. Comparing life itself to a retirement fund?? How about your investment portfolio - doing okay?
Despicable - but typical of the sociopathic conservative mind.
You're "wondering" about healthcare as a "right" are you? Bet you are a "Christian" as well.
You might stop listening to Fox. What "choice" is it when regardless of income an insurance company can deny or drop you on a whim? That is not a "choice" at all, and is not a statement of conservative income-based "responsibility".
What happened to your famous right-wing claim of "right to life" - just another big lie eh? For fetuses only, then after birth you have the "responsibility" of not getting sick. How about the infant that's born defective? Yeah, too bad about that, but hey, not my problem.
As Rep. Alan Grayson says, if you get sick just die quickly to spare others the inconvenience. "Despicable" is hardly the right word for such a belief.
The "rising costs" of health care is courtesy of Reaganomic republicon deregulation. So Obama hasn't fixed the republicon mess fast enough for you?
Let's remember, it is conservatives who labelled it "Obamacare" as a derogative. Once it starts working and becoming popular, conservatives will attempt to own it by saying (via fair-and-balanced Fox Noise) that it was a conservative idea all along, and aren't we all ashamed for rejecting their ideology.
Yeah, it is similar to RomneyCare, and they will drop the name "Obamacare" from all their rhetoric like a hot rock, instead calling it something else like "The Republican Affordable Care Act" or "Republi-Care" - or maybe "Heritage Care" after the fascist Heritage Foundation which earlier devised a similar program as a wet kiss to the insurance industry. Obamacare is not only a compromise, but is also a similar wet kiss to the republicon corporate base.
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