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I provided the video on post #10 for you. ObamaCare is the transitional program towards single payer. And like I mentioned in the OP - this is a huge waste of resources and you should be pissed.
Is this a joke? As I stated about evidence, not conspiracy babble on Youtube. All it does is ask a bunch of questions, have some scary music, and then...CONSPIRACY. It's painful to watch how it just fear mongers and provides nothing to show for it besides pretty good evidence of schizophrenia.
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No country has had economic freedom like we have had on such a wide scale - so it's hard to bring up another example.
But I will say this - right now, people are not the customers for health care providers. The customers are government (Medicare/caid) or insurance companies. Both of these entities have deep pockets - so it makes it easy to inflate prices.
Health care providers could not charge the current costs to the public, because they would all go out of business. A small percentage of people could afford to pay. Prices would have to come down in order to service the consumers. Take note of doctors who are removing themselves from any involvement with insurance or government. The deal directly with the customer. Prices are much more affordable.
So you have no evidence it works at all, you are just making conjectures and pulling out results from nowhere. In real life people don't pull out billion dollar national policy decisions from their butt and say it works...just cause. You need data and evidence to put decisions on a firm foundation, not an active imagination.
Medicare tax revenues total about $210 Billion a year, with expenses being about $530 Billion a year.. There are lots who collect that dont pay into it..
That may be true in Great Briton, but most modern countries its a hybrid of both public and private. Public as a basic care, for-profit supplemental plans are greatly encouraged at controlled costs to the public. Just like medicare.
Its running a $300 Billion dollar deficit a year, thats not doing a very good job at controlling costs.
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Like who?
You only have to work 10 years to receive benefits. What you pay into it, has no relationship to what you receive back.. Its welfare, its running a $300 Billion dollar a year deficit, which is paid for by everyone, even those who dont receive Medicare.
People who are disabled collect it, despite never paying into it as well.
Medicare tax revenues total about $210 Billion a year, with expenses being about $530 Billion a year.. There are lots who collect that dont pay into it..
False, you assume I lie because you lack the knowledge of history.
The*Obama plan*explicitly bridges the differences between Senate and House legislation on issues both large and small, but on the public option -- which is included in the House bill, but not in the Senate's -- Obama is entirely silent.
It was in the House bill but not the Senate bill and was dropped during negotiations. If you don't believe me, you are welcome to read all the articles on it from 2010.
Its running a $300 Billion dollar deficit a year, thats not doing a very good job at controlling costs.
You only have to work 10 years to receive benefits. What you pay into it, has no relationship to what you receive back.. Its welfare, its running a $300 Billion dollar a year deficit, which is paid for by everyone, even those who dont receive Medicare.
People who are disabled collect it, despite never paying into it as well.
Who is running a 300 B deficit, the UK or Germany, France.......What is ours running, how many people are going completely broke overnight here in the US because of our nasty system of delivery care?
So, someone payed 10 years into a insurance program for ten years ----they should be able to collect. It amazes me to no end how the American people are being screwed. Many pay premiums for years only to be kicked to the curb when the chips are down when pertaining to for-profit insurance. It seems now, in this day, people pay premiums every month but the co-pays and deductibles are so high the for-profit insurance companies pay out very little. How Tort-reform is touted as the solution to all our problems when all it does is put a low cap on malpractice suits saving the insurance companies more money while not lowering the doctors premiums. And now you state that those who pay into an insurance program for 10 years should not receive benefit. What a racket, and it is very clear it is out of control.
Is this a joke? As I stated about evidence, not conspiracy babble on Youtube. All it does is ask a bunch of questions, have some scary music, and then...CONSPIRACY. It's painful to watch how it just fear mongers and provides nothing to show for it besides pretty good evidence of schizophrenia.
Can't help you there. Whatever the production environment of the video is... he said what he said. Can't help you if you don't want to deal with the content.
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Originally Posted by EmeraldCityWanderer
So you have no evidence it works at all, you are just making conjectures and pulling out results from nowhere. In real life people don't pull out billion dollar national policy decisions from their butt and say it works...just cause. You need data and evidence to put decisions on a firm foundation, not an active imagination.
You like monopolies? Would you like it if Blue Cross bought up all of the competition and was the sole provider of all health insurance plans? Probably not.
So why is government OK?
Regarding data and evidence - did we have that for ObamaCare? They could even tell us what was in the plan. It was just a crisis of uninsured Americans, and we had to do something. There was no data and evidence.
People who are disabled collect it, despite never paying into it as well.
That is not true. Not only that, even if you payed into the system for decades and stopped working for so many years (I think its 5) you are no longer eligible to use medicare for a disability until you retire. I know this because my cousin died from ALS 2 years ago. She worked for years, stopped and raised her two daughters. When she became ill she no longer was eligible. The VA picked up her care.
Not only is Medicare Single Payer, but non-wonk Paul Ryan in the infamous "Ryan Plan" wants to go backwards and switch Medicare recipients to an insurance exchange system, just like the one used in The ACA.
Interesting isn't it?
I remember making a thread about that a while back. I was comparing Ryancare to Obamacare and not too many conservatives seemed to respond.
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