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Old 11-02-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: California
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Mine is (can go) from $1400 to $1100 for much better coverage and I could get it down to $750 but that would mean more risk (bronze policy) than I probably want to take at my age - no subsidies for me, either, I pay full price.
I don't qualify for any subsidies but it looks like mine will go from about $290 Kaiser plan to a $220 ACA plan and there are more things covered.
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: PNW
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And the pro Iraq War people are also stuck with the Baghdad bill and region that is now controlled by Al Qaeda. I'm not seeing your point.

I hope premiums triple for anyone who voted for Bush.
I am actually dumber for having read this...

You recieve no points, and may God have mercy on your soul
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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Everyone I know that earns at least a middle class or upper class income has seen their premiums more than DOUBLE for 2014. My parents have 3 dependents and earn $170K per year. Last year they were paying $600 a month for their health plan, and now it's going up to $1,300 a month with a $12,000 deductible.

What the hell?

They are basically paying for the health insurance of poor people. People that they don't even know or associate with. They worked hard all their lives and are now PENALIZED if they don't buy it. They are basically being FORCED to purchase expensive health insurance to subsidize the poor.

What a socialist, utopian joke this law is. It's immoral, impossible and cannot work.

86% of Americans were HAPPY with their health plans prior to the ACA. And now these damn liberals want everyone to pay higher premiums so that the other 14% of Americans who are uninsured can GET healthcare.

I am not interested in paying for someone else's healthcare. And if I was poor, I would not be interested in being bailed out by someone else. It's MY responsibility to manage my health. Not somebody else or the government.
The affordable part only applies to the unhealthy and the poor. Personally, if I wanted to get off my mothers insurance today I wouldn't have an affordable health option available that cost "less than a cell phone", I'd need to pay $300 monthly thru the exchanges with no subsidy available.

I'm not sure how insurance works, but does it work as car insurance works when the more experience you have, the less it cost? I'm really hoping by the time I have my own insurance policy (I'm 21 right now but considering getting off my mothers insurance policy in a year or two) will there be options cheaper as I get older or not? Of course I'm not intending to have a family fledged family anytime soon, but marriage is possible within the next year or two so would that mean our rates would be reduced? I understand we would need to pay for maternity coverage (rightfully so in my our case) therefore I'm hoping it won't be to it won't be too expensive.

Of course I'm probably going on a employee plan, but then again I'm not sure how much that would even cost me as of yet. I guess I'll find out then..
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Old 11-02-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Central Florida
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The average American will be paying significantly higher insurance premiums according to this report:

Double Down: Obamacare Will Increase Avg. Individual-Market Insurance Premiums By 99% For Men, 62% For Women - Forbes

This has nothing to do with the subsidies to be given to the ones that can't afford the premiums, it is because all the mandates of the ACA make it more expensive. So the wage-earners will be hit twice actually. First, in direct higher out of pocket costs to the insurance company, and eventually in higher taxes because really, the debt raised by covering those subsidies will have to be paid, someday.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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"Affordable" Healthcare didn't mean affordable for the taxpayer !
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It meant that the gubmint would no longer be socked with the cost for crowded Emergency rooms, etc, etc.
They concocted this remedy to force the recipient nation into paying up front, via compulsory insurance.
Or so it would seem.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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My wife and I don't qualify for a subsidy If I got off her insurance, I would pay 340ish for a silver plan. Right I pay 640. Her employer covers the cost for her.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:35 PM
 
Location: west central Georgia
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And the pro Iraq War people are also stuck with the Baghdad bill and region that is now controlled by Al Qaeda. I'm not seeing your point.

I hope premiums triple for anyone who voted for Bush.
Please get a clue. Anti Iraq War people are similarly stuck with the same "bad stuff" as the Pro people.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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And the pro Iraq War people are also stuck with the Baghdad bill and region that is now controlled by Al Qaeda. I'm not seeing your point.

I hope premiums triple for anyone who voted for Bush.
Both Democrats and Republicans voted for the War in Iraq due to "undeniable" evidence that Sadam Hussain had chemical weapons hence the reason why Americans were so against an intervention in Syria although Assad truly did have chemical weapons..
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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Is there anything dumber than a leftist?

Surftown831 is why I say the best thing that could happen to the Republicans is Obamacare. It's the gift that will keep on giving.
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Old 11-02-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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They are not just subsidizing the poor. They are also subsidizing smokers, alcoholics, fatties, anorexics, diabetics and alcoholics of any class.


Leave the smokers out of it, there is a very hefty surcharge for them but not for the others.
Liberal discrimination I can only gather.
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