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Old 11-10-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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Many poor and middle class people get sick with diseases that require expensive services to cure, or at least prolong the life of the diseased person.

Medical goods, facilities, technology, and staff are expensive...

Why do conservatives think that the community can be generous enough to provide the services to the poor, let alone those who do not wish to spend a significant amount of money on health insurance? Not even the vast wealth of the Catholic Church would last very long proving healthcare.

How are liberals going to convince those who do not wish to give a significant amount of their income to do so?
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Many poor and middle class people get sick with diseases that require expensive services to cure, or at least prolong the life of the diseased person.

Medical goods, facilities, technology, and staff are expensive...

Why do conservatives think that the community can be generous enough to provide the services to the poor, let alone those who do not wish to spend a significant amount of money on health insurance? Not even the vast wealth of the Catholic Church would last very long proving healthcare.

How are liberals going to convince those who do not wish to give a significant amount of their income to do so?
They don't have to convince anyone. A penalty is already in place to force people to pay, which will increase yearly.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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They don't have to convince anyone. A penalty is already in place to force people to pay, which will increase yearly.
The law can be repealed, and too many people will be unhappy with the ACA to not vote in someone against it.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:24 PM
 
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Many poor and middle class people get sick with diseases that require expensive services to cure, or at least prolong the life of the diseased person.

Medical goods, facilities, technology, and staff are expensive...

Why do conservatives think that the community can be generous enough to provide the services to the poor, let alone those who do not wish to spend a significant amount of money on health insurance? Not even the vast wealth of the Catholic Church would last very long proving healthcare.

How are liberals going to convince those who do not wish to give a significant amount of their income to do so?
By finding new and inventive ways of separating people from their money.

Called redistribution of wealth.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:24 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I would edit your opening to read "People of all social classes, low and high, get sick with diseases that require expensive services............".

If your point is that many wealthy are likely self-insured, I would say that assumption is probably correct.

Insurance, it doesn't matter for what, is a way of spreading risk around to the largest group possible. That is what many have lost sight of.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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I would edit your opening to read "People of all social classes, low and high, get sick with diseases that require expensive services............".

If your point is that many wealthy are likely self-insured, I would say that assumption is probably correct.

Insurance, it doesn't matter for what, is a way of spreading risk around to the largest group possible. That is what many have lost sight of.
My point is by insuring the poor and the sick, and spreading the costs equally per person amongst the middle and rich class means a lot of people not being happy with sharing the risk.
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Old 11-10-2013, 01:41 PM
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When you go to the grocery store the healthy foods are often the least expensive. Poverty is no excuse for bad health.

Health is also an individual responsibility and those who live healthy lives should not be made to pay for people who booze it up and use illegal drugs. Socialized medicine is just another way to communism in the USA. It should be stopped---yesterday would have been a good time.
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Many poor and middle class people get sick with diseases that require expensive services to cure, or at least prolong the life of the diseased person.

Medical goods, facilities, technology, and staff are expensive...

Why do conservatives think that the community can be generous enough to provide the services to the poor, let alone those who do not wish to spend a significant amount of money on health insurance? Not even the vast wealth of the Catholic Church would last very long proving healthcare.

How are liberals going to convince those who do not wish to give a significant amount of their income to do so?
They don't have to convince anybody. There's the new law of the land now.
The government MANDATES you have insurance and pay for the services they say you need.

Why are the left still harping on this. You got what you wanted.
Socialist health insurance.

And with the Obamacare out of pocket I'd say the middle class is going to be paying that "significant" amount.
Poor is poor and if you can't pay for premiums then you sure can't pay for thousands of out of pocket.
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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When you go to the grocery store the healthy foods are often the least expensive. Poverty is no excuse for bad health.

Health is also an individual responsibility and those who live healthy lives should not be made to pay for people who booze it up and use illegal drugs. Socialized medicine is just another way to communism in the USA. It should be stopped---yesterday would have been a good time.
You can switch your second paragraph and make it "safe drivers should not be made to pay for the people who speed, drive aggressively and tailgate". Yet, almost all states mandate car insurance which, by its very nature, will include those who are unsafe drivers.

Same thing, different application.
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Old 11-10-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Many poor and middle class people get sick with diseases that require expensive services to cure, or at least prolong the life of the diseased person.

Medical goods, facilities, technology, and staff are expensive...

Why do conservatives think that the community can be generous enough to provide the services to the poor, let alone those who do not wish to spend a significant amount of money on health insurance? Not even the vast wealth of the Catholic Church would last very long proving healthcare.

How are liberals going to convince those who do not wish to give a significant amount of their income to do so?
We have excellent cradle to the grave universal medical care and it costs the country just a little over half per capita of what the US government spends for their mish mash of schemes.

The question should be. How do you convince those RWNJ Americans that the health and economy of the nation trumps corporate PROFITS?
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