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Old 11-25-2013, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by jmqueen View Post
Yes. But before the ACA, the people were not able to enroll in Medicaid. (Not Medicare.)
Not totally true. Many of the 25 states that accepted the expanded medicaid had their own state program of expanded medicaid and moved all their people to the Federal one.

Much of the large numbers are states moving people to the Fed.
These people had medicaid before ACA.
California alone has 1.6 million they are moving from their expanded medicaid program to the Fed one.

HHS also reported that about 100,000 new medicaid enrollees came from states that did not expand it.
These are people that were eligible but just never signed up.

 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:22 PM
 
Location: California
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I think it's WAY too early to say anything has been proven to work or not. Hell, we don't even have physician networks completed yet.

Nor can you really say it's an "Obama state" considering we have huge conservative, republican areas. CA is huge, and most people are plain stupid when talking about it, and that stupidity shows all the time here on CD.

The IT portion of it is just electronic paperwork, and don't really factor in to the long term success of the ACA, which is getting everyone to have or pay money for insurance. Nothing can be measured, no win/loss called, in CA until 2015-2016 IMO.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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From what I heard, you have to fill out the application and give them all your information, before they even quote you any rates.

I find it significant that former Enron adviser Krugman only quoted the number of people who filled out the application, but was careful NOT to mention how many actually committed to paying for an Obamacare policy... even though he must have had both sets of info.

Could it be that most of the people he so proudly points to, went thru all the effort of filling out the applications and turning over all their private info, and were finally allowed to see what their costs and deductibles would be....

.... whereupon they dropped it like a hot potato and ran away screaming?

When will Krugman get around to mentioning how many actually paid?
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:32 PM
 
Location: California
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From what I heard, you have to fill out the application and give them all your information, before they even quote you any rates.

Not in CA.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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There is a billboard near Harrier printed in Spanish which translated says something like "peace of mind and security", has a picture of a happy Hispanic family, and then promotes "Covered California", the name for Obamacare here in the not so Golden State.

What a joke.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The government and all states with exchanges can only give you application numbers.
They aren't getting the payments.

It's the insurance providers that will have to give the government the number of people who not only finished signing up but paid their first premium.

HHS will not know if Joe Schmo paid his January BCBS premium.
That's up to BCBS to report that number back to HHS.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Stop bickering with me. My point is eminently clear, but I will restate it for you: The ACA and other factors are putting financial pressures on the health care system. Insurers will respond by dropping PPOs and cutting deals with smaller networks of providers. Providers will face cost pressures and will be forced to make changes in the way the provide services and/or accept lower income as a result. There will be no wholesale flight to concierge medicine by providers as that market is just too small for that. Private insurance (is there any other kind) allowing one to see whomever, whenever for whatever will be available but out of reach of most of us and will certainly not be something that employers offer to rank and file employees.

The future of medical care in the US under the ACA is going to look a lot like what it was when I was a private in the Army and I went on "sick call". You wait in a sparsely decorated room with 30 other people for about two hours to see a medic who knows less about medicine than you do. After a three minute visit you walk out with a prescription for Darvon and another for Thorazine and get sent back to your unit OK'd for duty.
Agree with you, Ponderosa. Unfortunately, many people don't understand the difference between having health insurance, especially some of the health insurance policies being sold on the exchanges, and receiving medical care. Two very different things.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: The High Plains
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
There is a billboard near Harrier printed in Spanish which translated says something like "peace of mind and security", has a picture of a happy Hispanic family, and then promotes "Covered California", the name for Obamacare here in the not so Golden State.

What a joke.
Third person?

C'mon, thats just weird.
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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Talking GOP's 'playbook' to deny Americans health care

Try to deny this !


House Republicans engineered a 17-page playbook detailing how to sabotage and repeal the Affordable Care Act so they can score political points. In this lengthy manual, however, Republicans didn't offer a single idea for solutions, for helping constituents enroll in health care or understand their benefits. Rather, the entire handbook is a tactical guide to tearing down the law.

Republicans have no playbook to create jobs, they have no playbook to build infrastructure, they have no playbook to pass immigration reform, they have no playbook to pass a budget -- and they have no playbook to propose a better health care system.


Make no mistake: As Republicans show that their priority is to protect special interests, destroy the Affordable Care Act and side with insurance companies, Democrats will stand on the side of hardworking families. House Democrats will continue to work to offer commonsense solutions to the American people so that health care works, middle-class families can get ahead and the dysfunction in Washington stops jeopardizing the prosperity of this great nation.


Opinion: GOP's 'playbook' to deny Americans health care - CNN.com
 
Old 11-25-2013, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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All invented problems that need no solution from unqualified people in Washington.
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