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Old 12-26-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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No it's not. It's a tool that puts worse criminals in jail for longer periods of time.
So this white guy is a " worse criminal " doing the exact same thing that blacks were mostly doing?
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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So this white guy is a " worse criminal " doing the exact same thing that blacks were mostly doing?
If he chose his victim on the basis of race, then yes.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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It's about time people started fighting back.
Indeed. But soon as someone shoots one of these criminals they will get charged with murder or some such crap. Its not a justice system its a fix past wrongs system at any costs.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: CA
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If he chose his victim on the basis of race, then yes.
Hate-crime 'discriminates' based on victim minority status and suspects presumed thought or intent.

"The administration of justice and the protections of the Double Jeopardy Clause shouldn’t be subject to the whims of public pressure and racial politics."

No Constitutional Authority for Federal Hate Crime Law | Cato @ Liberty
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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If he chose his victim on the basis of race, then yes.
I do not claim to be a vid expert but have seen several and in not one vid have I seen a black knocking out a black.
We know there will be a trial and if the guy has a good lawyer he might not be found guilty on the hate crime. Still I hope the judge throws the book at him for doing such a cowardly thing.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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Hate-crime 'discriminates' based on victim minority status and suspects presumed thought or intent.

"The administration of justice and the protections of the Double Jeopardy Clause shouldn’t be subject to the whims of public pressure and racial politics."

No Constitutional Authority for Federal Hate Crime Law | Cato @ Liberty
Bias motivated sentence enhancement statutes do not discriminate based on victim minority status. The minority status of the victim is irrelevant in fact. What such laws do is evaluated the intent of the criminal and dole out harsher sentences when the intent is deemed to be more heinous in that the intent was to target based on some sort of fundamental characteristic (or perceived fundamental characteristic) of the victim.

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Old 12-26-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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I do not claim to be a vid expert but have seen several and in not one vid have I seen a black knocking out a black.
We know there will be a trial and if the guy has a good lawyer he might not be found guilty on the hate crime. Still I hope the judge throws the book at him for doing such a cowardly thing.
When talking about bias motivated sentence enhancements, people seem to forget one major, necessary component - evidence or proof. You can't be charged with a "hate crime" without proof that you targeted the victim because of his race, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc.

In this case, a video exists where the white guy says he's going to target black people for assault. That's evidence of his bias motivated intent. The simple fact that a white guy hit a black guy, or that a black guy hit a white guy is not evidence of intent. You have to have actual evidence of the intent for that particular crime.

Every time somebody comes on here complaining and asking "Why was this white guy charged with a hate crime, but this black guy wasn't" - the answer is always the same: in the former, prosecutors have evidence of intent, in the latter, they don't.

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Old 12-26-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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Indeed. But soon as someone shoots one of these criminals they will get charged with murder or some such crap. Its not a justice system its a fix past wrongs system at any costs.
Nonsense. If you justifiably shoot someone, you'll walk.

But this is different. First of all, it's pretty tough to shoot someone after you've been knocked out, and you certainly can't shoot them BEFORE they've assaulted you. You SHOULD be charged and given a stiff prison sentence if you do that.

Anyway...all this knockout hyperbole is getting pretty old. It was dying after Fox News got tired of it, but it's seems that some people wanna keep it going.
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Old 12-26-2013, 12:34 PM
 
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Nonsense. If you justifiably shoot someone, you'll walk.
Unless the media decides to selectively edit 911 tapes, manipulate people by distorting the facts, and blowing the whole thing up.
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Old 12-26-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Syracuse, New York
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I'd like to be the first person on this thread to post outrage that a 27 year old punk assaulted a 79 year old man.
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