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Old 12-26-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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You are a Jew who live in a Christian nation. Thanks to Christianity all religions are being tolerated and enjoys freedom of religion.
Since you worship a Jew, I would think you would tolerate them.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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It is not a Muslim nation , it was founded on Christian principles. Our faith in God is through Jesus Christ .

Wrong. YOUR faith maybe. What Christian principles was our nation founded on?
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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, it was founded on Christian principles.
What are these uniquely Christian values that are not found in other societies?
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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Who said it is not a Christian country? Thomas Jefferson and George Washington to name but two.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Could you imagine how our founding fathers would be reacting to such a disgusting motto? A bunch of "abracadabra" as Thomas Jefferson called it.

It's not too late to fix it and return to the vision of this nation.

"Founding fathers"?

Which ones?
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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This nation is based heavily on economic and capitalistic values. Both of which are based on math encompassing numeric systems. Modern numeric systems, and the math behind it, is built on top of research found in Indian and Arabic religious scripts. Let's be honest, we're an Indian and Arabic nation. On that note, much of the science to resolve the calendar used by the Christians is based off of Indian research found in religious scripts. Christianity is nothing but an Indian religion.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Ok...fine. I'm giving in just to shut you Christians the hell up.

This is a Christian nation. Now please...leave the rest of us sane people the hell alone.
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Old 12-26-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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"Founding fathers"?

Which ones?
I mentioned the main one... Thomas Jefferson.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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In God We Trust has been the motto since 1956. EPU is not an official motto, but a motto for the seal.
You have it backwards. In God We Trust is not our official motto. It is only a popular slogan at best.
But if it's any consolation, Asheville Native got it partly wrong too. But he is far closer to being right than you are.

The rampant eagle, holding an olive branch in one claw and arrows in the other, is the official symbol of the American Government. Our official motto has always been surrounded by a ribbon bearing the Latin words, held in the eagle's beak. This is the only emblem that has ever been used to represent all of our official branches of government.
The design of the Great Seal has changed many times, but the elements have always remained the same.

Our national seal has two parts, the front and the reverse, and is found on the back of every $1 dollar bill. Together, the two symbols are called the Great Seal, and is used to verify all our federal laws, our treaties, and all our most important documents, as genuine to all nations and to our people.

Only the front side, the one with the eagle, has ever been used as a document seal, but officially together, they comprise the closest thing America will ever get to an official coat of arms. Everything on both sides is replete with heraldic symbolism. it was adopted in 1782.

God is acknowledged on the reverse; the unfinished pyramid represents our perpetually unfinished nation, seen under the all-seeing eye of Divine Providence. Providence is mentioned on the motto in Latin at the top, which translates as "Providence approved our undertakings". The bottom motto is translated as "A new order for the ages."

In God We Trust was an evangelical intrusion of 1954 that managed to squeak through by a tiny majority, back before the Senate 60% rule was instituted by a later generation of conservatives. Since similar, less specific words were already a part of the Great Seal, "In God We Trust" was only a redundant and less elegant trifling addition done at a time when Latin had already begun to fade in our common education.

The meaning, of course, is slightly different. To our founders, Divine Providence was not any more strictly Christian than the word God, but God's approval and our mortal trust are two different things. Neither applies to only Christianity.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:08 PM
 
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You have it backwards. In God We Trust is not our official motto. It is only a popular slogan at best.
But if it's any consolation, Asheville Native got it partly wrong too. But he is far closer to being right than you are.

The rampant eagle, holding an olive branch in one claw and arrows in the other, is the official symbol of the American Government. Our official motto has always been surrounded by a ribbon bearing the Latin words, held in the eagle's beak. This is the only emblem that has ever been used to represent all of our official branches of government.
The design of the Great Seal has changed many times, but the elements have always remained the same.

Our national seal has two parts, the front and the reverse, and is found on the back of every $1 dollar bill. Together, the two symbols are called the Great Seal, and is used to verify all our federal laws, our treaties, and all our most important documents, as genuine to all nations and to our people.

Only the front side, the one with the eagle, has ever been used as a document seal, but officially together, they comprise the closest thing America will ever get to an official coat of arms. Everything on both sides is replete with heraldic symbolism. it was adopted in 1782.

God is acknowledged on the reverse; the unfinished pyramid represents our perpetually unfinished nation, seen under the all-seeing eye of Divine Providence. Providence is mentioned on the motto in Latin at the top, which translates as "Providence approved our undertakings". The bottom motto is translated as "A new order for the ages."

In God We Trust was an evangelical intrusion of 1954 that managed to squeak through by a tiny majority, back before the Senate 60% rule was instituted by a later generation of conservatives. Since similar, less specific words were already a part of the Great Seal, "In God We Trust" was only a redundant and less elegant trifling addition done at a time when Latin had already begun to fade in our common education.

The meaning, of course, is slightly different. To our founders, Divine Providence was not any more strictly Christian than the word God, but God's approval and our mortal trust are two different things. Neither applies to only Christianity.
"A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States."

History of 'In God We Trust'
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