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Old 01-22-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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ID doesn't state that "God did it." That seems to be where you are making your mistake.

ID: "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."

GMO crops exactly fit that definition.
LOLZ. A directed process that you know nothing about. Who is this intelligent designer, where does it existz how does it come into existence?

 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:43 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're right, ID takes the lazy and vague route of assigning an intelligent designer behind the laws of the universe.
No. You are also mistaken. Laws of the universe are not addressed.

Read it again...

ID: "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."

GMO crops exactly fit that definition.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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ID doesn't state that "God did it." That seems to be where you are making your mistake.
Well, sure. Those who believe in "Intelligent Design" are careful to claim its not God. They'd never get it pushed into the schools if they did.

But we all know its him they're talking about. You might as well get on board too since you're not fooling anyone.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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It does, in fact. The very premise of the article cited is: When can intelligent design of crops by humans outperform natural selection?

Were someone to question if a GMO crop had been "designed" (as in, modified by intelligent beings rather than only by natural evolutionary processes), there is ample evidence of human beings and their scientific practices to support an affirrmative conclusion that the crop was. Documentation, for instance.

Not only is there evidence that the crop (the result) was influenced by humans, there is all this evidence for humans wholly apart from the question of crop origins.

What is the evidence of an intelligent designer of life on Earth? Apart from us observing the result (living organisms) to look for such evidence, what other evidence do we have of the existence of such a designer?
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:45 PM
 
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And what kind of evidence will you accept? I've given atheists documented cases of divine healing with verification from doctors and pictures of tests. Not good enough.
An amputee having their legs grow back after praying to your god.

Why won't your god ever heal amputees?
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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That explains such psuedo-scientific organizations such as the "Creation Museum". Dress it up as "science" and maybe they can sneak it into the schools.
Only be sure to drop the "creation" from the title. Just call it Cook Museum of Natural Science and have the schools send the kids there on field trips. If the front door to the science classroom is locked, try the back door.

Cook's museum of natural pseudoscience

Last edited by suzy_q2010; 01-22-2014 at 02:48 PM.. Reason: Clarification.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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LOLZ. An undirected process that you know nothing about.
Are you claiming that GMO crops evolved via a natural undirected process and were not designed by an intelligent entity? Prove that.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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ID doesn't state that "God did it." That seems to be where you are making your mistake.
Actually yes. It does.

Here again I quote the first two sentences of the founding manifesto of the ID Movement:

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The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built. Its influence can be detected in most, if not all, of the West's greatest achievements, including representative democracy, human rights, free enterprise, and progress in the arts and sciences.
They are not just talking about any God either. They are speaking explicitly of the Biblical God.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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No. You are also mistaken. Laws of the universe are not addressed.

Read it again...

ID: "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."

GMO crops exactly fit that definition.
Nope. You can't just change the meaning of words. Gmo is not intelligent design. Stop being dishonest, no one is even backing up your nonsense.
 
Old 01-22-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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Well, sure. Those who believe in "Intelligent Design" are careful to claim its not God. They'd never get it pushed into the schools if they did.

But we all know its him they're talking about.
Who ever said God designed GMO crops? Do you have a citation for that?
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