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Old 01-19-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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Don't even try, people here don't want to listen to the truth for some reason.
Maybe they will listen to one of their own.

http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01...n-people-video
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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Maybe they will listen to one of their own.

http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01...n-people-video
This vid from the 24 mark is surreal. It's a commercial. Speaks volumes. Sadly, this is a major global industry.

30C3: To Protect And Infect - The militarization of the Internet - YouTube
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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Maybe they will listen to one of their own.

http://o.dailycaller.com/all/2014-01...n-people-video
The reform that's most necessary to get the NSA back on track is to insist that Rep. Mike Rogers and Sen. Dianne Feinstein resign as the heads of their respective Intelligence Committees. At this point both seem more interested in maintaining their own power than upholding the Constitution.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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It's not a conspiracy theory when there is empirical evidence there is a conspiracy.

In the case of NSA spying on the general public in violation of constitutional protections, there is just such empirical evidence. The NSA has conspired to both violate constitutional protections, and conceal these actions from both the public, and congress...

Remember the phrase, if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear

So then that being so, what has the NSA been doing wrong, because they've hidden a lot both from government and the people, which would imply they have quite a lot to fear.

I think Bruce Schneier said it best why the concern, he cited Cardinal Richelieu
"If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged", and then argued that the debate isn't about security vs. Privacy, but the real choice is about liberty vs. control. I happen to agree with both the quote, and the real choice.

Agree.
Clapper is being sued by the ACLU so he apparently did quite a few things wrong. Will be interesting to see who in Congress shills for the NSA spying. Sen. Dianne Feinstein for example earns six figures from them via defense contracts- its easy to see what motivates Congress, and their betrayal of personal citizens privacy.

Whoever said its a conspiracy must be under a rock since this was factual news last summer.
either that or shilling for them.
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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The reform that's most necessary to get the NSA back on track is to insist that Rep. Mike Rogers and Sen. Dianne Feinstein resign as the heads of their respective Intelligence Committees. At this point both seem more interested in maintaining their own power than upholding the Constitution.


She sucks. Knew that would happen after:

Irritated EU leaders voice ‘lack of trust’ with US after spying claims

Irritated EU leaders voice ?lack of trust? with US after spying claims ? RT News
EU leaders say their relations with the US have been undermined by reports of NSA spying on European leaders and ordinary citizens. A partnership with America should be built on respect and trust, they said in a joint statement.
The statement was released Friday amid the ongoing summit of top European politicians in Brussels.
It said the reports of American surveillance in Europe have raised “deep concerns” among citizens and may harm cooperation with the US as well as cooperation within the EU, particularly in such a “vital” area as counter-terrorism.
“[The leaders] stressed that intelligence gathering is a vital element in the fight against terrorism,” the statement said. “A lack of trust could prejudice the necessary cooperation in the field of intelligence gathering.”


Her constituents should vote her out. Fraud.


The South American country's reaction to Obama's pledge to scale back the National Security Agency in response to Edward Snowden's revelations was more cautious than the welcome response the U.S. received from the German government on Friday, however.



"It's a first step. The Brazilian government will monitor the practical ramifications of the speech very closely," Rousseff's spokesman Thomas Traumann wrote on the president's office official blog.

Revelations that the U.S. had monitored the personal e-mails of Brazil's President Dilma Rousseff caused Brazil to cancel a state visit and cost Chicago-based Boeing a $4 billion-plus fighter jet contract last year.



Brazil says to follow NSA developments closely - chicagotribune.com

People are angry. Not to be broadcast on your local brainwash channel, guaranteed. They want people watching braindead "Katie" and duckdynasty, instead of learning the harsh realities here of loss of liberties in the US, and worldwide.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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So what are they doing with my data that i should be so scared about?
I'm sure they'll splain it all to you when they break down your door in the middle of the night.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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Why make a thread about this when you are going to get all in denial when we give you the answer?

It. is. not. affecting. our. daily. lives. so. we. don't. cry. about. it.
Not. yet.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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The NSA pays GCHQ to spy on American Citizens thereby not breaking any laws or the US Constitution. The NSA also spies from bases abroad such as Menwith Hill and taps internet cables under the Atlantic, the UK being a major connection point.

Americans pay GCHQ £100m to spy for them, leaked papers claim - Telegraph

GCHQ: The British Are Spying On Us More Than the NSA Is - PolicyMic

Is The NSA Paying Britain To Spy On Americans? | Off The Grid News

GCHQ taps fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications | UK news | The Guardian

How does GCHQ's internet surveillance work? | UK news | The Guardian

BBC News - US NSA and UK GCHQ 'can spy on smartphones'

Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ | UK news | The Guardian

USA spent millions on Bude spy station, says Snowden | This is Cornwall

Government Communications Headquarters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



In terms of the UK we are a a global fibre optic, internet and communication hub due to our geographic position off Europe.

Cable landing point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Submarine Cable Map


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Old 01-24-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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In the UK you have the NSA base at Menwith Hill in Yorkshire which links directly with Fort Meade in Maryland and which listens in for terrorist and other threats against the US.

Menwith Hill eavesdropping base undergoes massive expansion | World news | The Guardian

?Dog-walkers beware! Draconian UK law to protect US ?drone-operating? bases ? RT News

Whilst the Ballistic Missile Early Warning Base at Flylindales in Yorkshire which is linked to Cheyenne Mountain and the Aerospace Defense Command at Peterson Air Force base in Colarado and gives warning of nuclear attack.

RAF Fylingdales - History

Ballistic Missile Early Warning System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RAF Fylingdales - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then we have Croughton in Northamptonshire a relay centre for CIA clandestine and agent communications. It has also now been named in documents leaked by the National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden as playing a key support role in embassy-based spying.

Exclusive: RAF Croughton base 'sent secrets from Merkel

Exclusive: MoD tightens security at American spy bases linked to drone strikes - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

Then we have Bude in Cornwall where the NSA spend millions tapping undersea internet cables.

USA spent millions on Bude spy station, says Snowden | This is Cornwall

Then we have Waddington in Lincolnshire used to direct US/UK Drone strikes, along with Croughton

US Drones bombing Africa operated from RAF bases in the heart of the Lincolnshire countryside | Mail Online

Then you have the Joint Analysis Center, which is the Headquarters of USAF Intelligence in Europe at Alconbury in Cambridgeshire, where they reside in bunkers behind three or four layers of razor wire, and then you have Naval Security Group Detachment at Digby in Lincolnshire where cryptography and joint signals are carried out.

The only actual combat units in the UK now that the Americans have moved out of Fairford is at Mildenhall, a base used as a transit and support base for US operations world wide (especially to the middle east) and which houses a fleet of tankers to refuel US Aircraft. It also houses spy planes courtesy of the USAF 95th Reconnaissance Squadron with it's RC-135 and OC-135 Open Skies aircraft.. None of which is essential to UK Defence.

The other base being Lakenheath where a dwindling number of F-15's reside, however just up the road are two RAF base at Marham with Tornado GR4's soon to be replaced by F-35 Lghtnings and Conningsby a major Eurofighter Typhoon base.

RAF Lakenheath, a legacy of the Cold War - Telegraph

There are no US Soldiers based in Britain and very little US Navy. Indeed the bases in Britain are more for Americas own benefit that any one elses, and are mainly intelligence bases.

Finally lets not forget the new US Embassy at Nine Elms in London which I am quite sure will be full of secret departments and CIA Operatives.

New Embassy | Embassy of the United States

As for Europe as a whole, a lot of the US troops in Germany support US Operations world wide in terms of logistics, whilst the US Military Hospital in Germany takes casualties from Afghanistan and other US led conflicts, whilst USAF bases in Europe also support US Operations globally and the US Naval Support Facilities in Italy support the US 6th Fleet in the Mediterranean. Indeed most remaining US bases in Europe are more for Americas benefit than for actual European Defence.
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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People are angry. Not to be broadcast on your local brainwash channel, guaranteed. They want people watching braindead "Katie" and duckdynasty, instead of learning the harsh realities here of loss of liberties in the US, and worldwide.
Couldnt have said this better!!!

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