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Huh? What does that have to do with running a business? Do you think there should be no regulations because running a business should be easy? If you can't handle the challenges of running a business then you shouldn't be running one.
Huh? What does that have to do with running a business? Do you think there should be no regulations because running a business should be easy? If you can't handle the challenges of running a business then you shouldn't be running one.
This thread continues to prove exactly what I mean about plutocrats and conservatism.
This nation has had minimum wage for a very long time.
In fact, when adjusted for inflation the minimum wage was much higher in the past.
Look, did corporate profits implode when the minimum wage introduced?
Were there massive price hikes for goods?
Were there massive layoffs?
This is what I mean, you have people who are fundamentally dishonest having this discussion, they have to ignore this nation's history with the minimum wage to make these outlandish fear based attacks against the minimum wage far outside of any economic data.
They have to attack the groups of people who make minimum wage as being lazy, or stupid or losers of some sort.
This is what's wrong with American politics in a nut shell.
Yes, there is some dispute over the economic impact of a modest minimum wage increase.
There is a debate over whether there is a small amount of job loss versus there being no job loss after an area raises its minimum wage.
There is a debate about how many families are lifted out of poverty(although less of a debate) after an area raises its minimum wage.
But of course many of those against a minimum hike don't want a reasoned debate they want to spew garbage and nonsense and fear monger. Pathetic
I have no problem giving money to a coworker that helps me out with a sale and I am usually willing to help others out with my time when needed.
So if someone doesnt help you with a sale then you only offer them your time? Sounds like you are the greedy one. Of course you would give money to someone that helped you with a sale since its a profit that you didnt have to hustle for.
My question is would you give someone a piece if your pay check every week that makes less then you ? Yes or NO .
I have no problem giving money to a coworker that helps me out with a sale and I am usually willing to help others out with my time when needed.
So if someone doesnt help you with a sale then you only offer them your time? Sounds like you are the greedy one. Of course you would give money to someone that helped you with a sale since its a profit that you didnt have to hustle for.
My question is would you give someone a piece if your pay check every week that makes less then you ? Yes or NO .
You must have missed where I said "no" or you have a selective reading issue to deal with.
The other problem is that you assume just because i make X amount a week means i can take a hit. You dont know the costs of my overhead and how much it costs me to stay open so your point of saying i make enough is NULL.
What if i need to make 3k a week profit to sustain my business , pay my bills, pay my personal bills at home ? So from 5k , i went to 4k but i need 3k to keep the doors open ..What happens now ? What if i get hit again with more wage hikes and now i am making only 3k a week? That would leave me with no income and doors would be closed , and more unemployed people. I have to come up with the money from somewhere to make up for the loss but yet your telling me i will hurt my own business because i need to raise my prices so i can stay in business.
When you start taking money out of my pockets , i can no longer provide certain services such as advertising or running specials. I can no longer provide pay raises to my good , hard working employees. Its a huge chain reaction.
Things like this happen . What i pay in rent is more then most peoples average salary.
Lifeexplorer nailed it. If my doors close due to bad weather or if i have a slow day , my bills dont somehow get cheaper or my employees dont get paid less . Rent and taxes NEVER go down , they go up.
Perfect example from my own neighborhood.
I live near one of those roads that back in the 50s/60s was what malls are today - the place everyone went to buy things. 6 years ago, it was decided that a 3 year road improvement project would undertaken to improve the quality of the road for about a 1.5 mile stretch. I know maybe 2 dozen of the business owners who operate on that road, and every last one of them saw an annual dip in revenue of at least 25% for every one of those three years, and a few of them were put out of business by it. One of my best friends still hasn't recovered fully, and is paying off a capital loan he had to take to stay afloat during that period, the payments for which are almost equal to his rent.
aedubber, and other ACTUAL business owners know what happens to their business when the government just chooses to do stuff, and it is rarely ever a good thing. Additionally, it creates uncertainty, and if you want to make sure the economy stays stagnated, wages and unemployment included, keep injecting uncertainty into the business world with one socialist ploy after another. I mean, it's not like there's a glaring historical example of how this is bad...oh wait, yes there is, it's called "All The Crap Hoover and Roosevelt Did Together to Cause, Exacerbate and Extend the Great Depression."
All this crap has been tried before. In 1929-1930, 1933, 1935-37. Yeah, it worked real well.
But then again, nobody ever accused a progressive of being well versed in actual history.
I live near one of those roads that back in the 50s/60s was what malls are today - the place everyone went to buy things. 6 years ago, it was decided that a 3 year road improvement project would undertaken to improve the quality of the road for about a 1.5 mile stretch. I know maybe 2 dozen of the business owners who operate on that road, and every last one of them saw an annual dip in revenue of at least 25% for every one of those three years, and a few of them were put out of business by it. One of my best friends still hasn't recovered fully, and is paying off a capital loan he had to take to stay afloat during that period, the payments for which are almost equal to his rent.
aedubber, and other ACTUAL business owners know what happens to their business when the government just chooses to do stuff, and it is rarely ever a good thing. Additionally, it creates uncertainty, and if you want to make sure the economy stays stagnated, wages and unemployment included, keep injecting uncertainty into the business world with one socialist ploy after another. I mean, it's not like there's a glaring historical example of how this is bad...oh wait, yes there is, it's called "All The Crap Hoover and Roosevelt Did Together to Cause, Exacerbate and Extend the Great Depression."
All this crap has been tried before. In 1929-1930, 1933, 1935-37. Yeah, it worked real well.
But then again, nobody ever accused a progressive of being well versed in actual history.
How's the upgraded road? Road construction is a part of business especially when running a storefront.
Raising the minimum wage is a winner politically, but a modest minimum wage increase has powerful enemies.
There is I think is a cancerous political ideology(modern American conservatism) that is based on exclusion, hatred, fear, military aggression, and economic elitism that has taken control of the one of the political parties completely and part of the other one, and this ideology hates the idea of a minimum wage increase and uses all its power and huge sums of money to fight those efforts.
Finally, the minimum wage is perceived to help groups of people that are hated by plutocrats and conservatives, which even further distorts the debate.
If we had rational political discussions in this nation the choice could be presented to voters, hey the economic impact of a modest minimum wage increase is in some dispute.
There is some evidence that there maybe a slight drop in employment and there is some evidence that there is no drop in employment. But a modest minimum wage increase also will lift a lot of American families out of poverty. The choice is yours.
Instead what we get are nasty attacks on the groups of people making minimum wage, their intelligence, work ethic, family choices, morality, etc are all denigrated by plutocrats and conservatives.
Also we get outlandish fear mongering about the economic impact of a modest minimum wage increase that is far from any economic data.
Democrats have proposed an increase from $7.25 to $10.10, nearly a 40% increase. Hardly modest. So not only do the employers have to deal with a sudden 40% increase in direct labor increases for those that are earning the minimum, they also have to deal with higher payroll taxes that adds even more to their operating costs. How are small business owners who are already struggling supposed to eat those increases?
So how do they cope? Minimum wage employees will see their hours cut as employers find ways to eat these costs, so the employees aren't actually any better off financially. If they don't get their hours reduced, they may find themselves with reduced benefits due to their income increasing. Its good that they're less dependent, but they might end up with a higher wage and worse off financially. My wife had a co-worker that repeatedly turned down a promotion because she would lose some of her benefits and end up worse off at a higher wage.
The idea that Conservatives hate the poor is beyond absurd, when Democrats continue pushing the same ideas and policies that haven't put a dent in poverty, even though we've poured $21 Trillion into the failed war on it. Conservatives oppose generous handouts because they only serve to enable poverty. Threaten to scale back spending on these programs, or propose policies that prevent abuse of this system and Liberals treat you like you hate the poor. That's simply not how it is; we want people to climb out of poverty, not be content in it. We want a safety net for those who truly need it, and expels those who abuse it. We don't hate the poor -- we hate poverty, and we think the current approach has completely failed.
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