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Okay think of ALLLLLLLLLL the people who are FOR the legalization..I'd say at least 80% of those pro pot have/still do smoke/d to this day. And anyone that is against it will not smoke it whether legal or not because they just don't like it. So my point is whether legal or illegal anyone that smokes typically drives while high, or gets high while driving..I'd say almost all do it..some prefer it hence 'bone cruise' my point being whether legal or not the same amount will be driving while high because if they use now it doesn't matter if it is legal or not they're going to continue to do so...these laws haven't stopped anyone from doing so. So your little rant of how people are stupid to think that marijuana wont create more impaired drivers just shows how 'stupid' you are to think the fact that because it is 'illegal' is slowing down the rate of car wrecks and if it was legal the rate would go up..the rate for people wrecking cars while high on weed are so low, like one said texting/talking on phone while drving is wayyyyy more dangerous yet I see even police doing it on an everyday basis..stop trying to fight it...legalizing it wont turn people to it, people aren't going to say "oh it's legal now maybe I should start smoking it seeing it's legal" no if someone is interested in smoking they will do it whether legal or not because even when illegal it is still very easily accessed. SO why not save peoples time and money focusing on REAL criminals like child predators that get a slap on the wrist for harming little kids and ruining their lives because the jails are too full of 'criminals' like pot users/sellers to be able to put them behind bars...stop fighting the battle because you're going to lose, eventually it is going to be legal state to state whether one likes it or not so save your opinion for when they ask you, which the pro pot people will triple the ones against it...just sayin
Okay think of ALLLLLLLLLL the people who are FOR the legalization..I'd say at least 80% of those pro pot have/still do smoke/d to this day. And anyone that is against it will not smoke it whether legal or not because they just don't like it. So my point is whether legal or illegal anyone that smokes typically drives while high, or gets high while driving..I'd say almost all do it..some prefer it hence 'bone cruise' my point being whether legal or not the same amount will be driving while high because if they use now it doesn't matter if it is legal or not they're going to continue to do so...these laws haven't stopped anyone from doing so. So your little rant of how people are stupid to think that marijuana wont create more impaired drivers just shows how 'stupid' you are to think the fact that because it is 'illegal' is slowing down the rate of car wrecks and if it was legal the rate would go up..the rate for people wrecking cars while high on weed are so low, like one said texting/talking on phone while drving is wayyyyy more dangerous yet I see even police doing it on an everyday basis..stop trying to fight it...legalizing it wont turn people to it, people aren't going to say "oh it's legal now maybe I should start smoking it seeing it's legal" no if someone is interested in smoking they will do it whether legal or not because even when illegal it is still very easily accessed. SO why not save peoples time and money focusing on REAL criminals like child predators that get a slap on the wrist for harming little kids and ruining their lives because the jails are too full of 'criminals' like pot users/sellers to be able to put them behind bars...stop fighting the battle because you're going to lose, eventually it is going to be legal state to state whether one likes it or not so save your opinion for when they ask you, which the pro pot people will triple the ones against it...just sayin
So by this definition, we should make drunk driving legal because so many people do it.
Just because a certain population does something with complete disregard to the rest of the people on the road does not make it ok. Driving while high should be punished just as severely as driving while drunk.
I don't care if people are smoking pot, that's the least of my worries. However I don't want them on the road and it should be severely punished.
Why do you think that regulated sale would result in more impaired drivers? Pot smokers certainly get behind the wheel every day. From this forum you have direct testimony that current users drive stoned all the time.
That does not make it ok!
What is it with pot smokers and thinking this makes it ok?
Tons of people drink and drive. Alcohol is legal but drinking and driving is illegal and it SHOULD be and is punished severely.
The fact that I have direct testimony from people that get stoned and drive all the time is what makes me think those people are idiots and endangering the lives of others. It makes me sick, it as ignorant as people who get behind the wheel after drinking too much.
You act like I've never been around the stuff before and that I live a sheltered life. I lived the party scene for many years, trust me I've seen it all.. but it doesn't mean I think it is smart or the right thing to do. I grew up.
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And you can find others. So.. 'anyone' is not accurate.
I'm fairly libertarian, which basically translates as a fiscal conservative and social liberal.. Take care of my money and so long as you or what you do doesn't screw with me in any way.. have at it.
So, I have no problem with weed being legal for anyone over 21. DUI laws that are already on the books should cover weed, so no need for new laws there. Buying weed for a minor or allowing a minor to partake should be treated under the same statutes as providing or purchasing alcohol for a minor.
Amsterdam has had legalized pot for many years.. For the doom-sayers that legalization is the end of civilization as we know it.. Doesn't seem to be a real problem there.
I am not a sad clueless person, I'm a person who smoked pot for quite a few years. I have a good understanding of how it affects the mind and body.
Anyone who claims that a person who is high is a better driver loses all credibility in my eye. Just another pot head with a dream to make it legal so they can listen to some Bob Marley.
I don't care if you want to smoke pot, I don't care what you do to your life.. however I don't want to pay for the extra accidents.. I don't want to be on the road with people who are high and I don't want to be paying taxes for people who are injured on the job because they're high. Find a way to test for it on the spot and I'm all for it, even if i do find it stupid.
It's really scary that other people might think like you. Which is exactly why I don't want it legalized.
I don't believe you've smoked mj if you think it affects you like alcohol.
I don't believe you've smoked mj if you think it affects you like alcohol.
I never said it affects you like alcohol. I said it affects your ability to drive safely. Just because it isn't the same as alcohol does not make it safe to drive with.
Texting and driving is not safe for the road, however texting and driving does not affect you like alcohol does either.
TONS of people text and drive, does that mean we should make it legal and not stop people because "everyone will do it anyway" ?
I don't care if you believe me whether or not I smoked in the past. It's not anything cool to do and it's nothing to be proud of. It was one of the dumber choices in my life.
Definitely seems to me that far more harm comes from weed being illegal than from people smoking it. That is not to say that minors should smoke or that all people will be immune from harm. But it seems to me that putting someone in a cage and branding them for life as a felon when they get out is out of balance with people lounging about after a long day at work and maybe not being super productive. Worst case they become addicted/dependent and seek treatment that is hopefully paid for with tax revenue from the sale of cannabis.
The fact that it can also be grown for relatively little money means that you can take the cartels out of the equation altogether eventually.
I never said it affects you like alcohol. I said it affects your ability to drive safely. Just because it isn't the same as alcohol does not make it safe to drive with.
Texting and driving is not safe for the road, however texting and driving does not affect you like alcohol does either.
TONS of people text and drive, does that mean we should make it legal and not stop people because "everyone will do it anyway" ?
I don't care if you believe me whether or not I smoked in the past. It's not anything cool to do and it's nothing to be proud of. It was one of the dumber choices in my life.
so you think that even though weed isn't on the same planet as alcohol in terms of impaired motor function and judgment, it should be penalized just as stiffly? that makes a lot of sense. You've got this notion in your head that MJ+cars=huge issue, when history and science has shown clearly thats not the case.
No matter in the end, field tests aren't biologically easy to do, so far as I know they all can be fought and overturned due to their weaknesses. Add in how easy it is to cover up whether or not your high(which in and of itself says something about the nature of MJ), and this is all talk. I'm more worried about generally unconscious, severely distracted and sleep deprived people with no driver training who are out on the roads in droves, every day. MJ is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of our on-road issues.
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