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Old 07-15-2014, 02:04 AM
 
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I know a guy in Portland who is 62 and lives on Social Security.

A couple years ago, Portland adopted an "arts tax" primarily to maintain funding for school arts programs which was threatened by a school budget squeeze. This tax is a flat $35 on every adult above the federal poverty line. The City wants to tax everyone who lives in Portland at any time during the year, and is using DMV addresses plus registered voters as their targets.

As one might expect, the 'government class' has protected themselves well; government worker pensions are exempt from tax under state law. Social Security is also exempt from state and local income taxes. As a result, a lot of people are actually exempt from this tax.

One might expect the City to use federal and state tax data (e.g. tax returns and W-2 / 1099 forms) to identify people who might owe this tax. But nooooo...

Apparently, the City presumes that everyone owes the tax until they prove they don't owe the tax. My friend got a form letter hitting him up for $50 (including a $15 penalty for not paying the tax by April 15). He says he can get out of paying the tax (and the penalty) with proof his taxable income was below poverty level, which he can do with either a tax return or a specific federal form. His income is considerably above poverty level, but it's all Social Security so it is exempt from this tax.

I've never heard of presuming someone owes a tax unless they prove they don't owe it. What's your opinion?
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:08 AM
 
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Old 07-15-2014, 02:29 AM
 
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??? A local income tax is immune from legal challenge in Oregon? That's a neat trick!
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:22 AM
 
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I think they would have to do it that way.

They do not KNOW a person's income......until the person tells them.

Looks like the law was voted in.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:25 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Other states have this as well. PA used to have (don't know if it still does) a personal property tax based on your job.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I know a guy in Portland who is 62 and lives on Social Security.

A couple years ago, Portland adopted an "arts tax" primarily to maintain funding for school arts programs which was threatened by a school budget squeeze. This tax is a flat $35 on every adult above the federal poverty line. The City wants to tax everyone who lives in Portland at any time during the year, and is using DMV addresses plus registered voters as their targets.

As one might expect, the 'government class' has protected themselves well; government worker pensions are exempt from tax under state law. Social Security is also exempt from state and local income taxes. As a result, a lot of people are actually exempt from this tax.

One might expect the City to use federal and state tax data (e.g. tax returns and W-2 / 1099 forms) to identify people who might owe this tax. But nooooo...

Apparently, the City presumes that everyone owes the tax until they prove they don't owe the tax. My friend got a form letter hitting him up for $50 (including a $15 penalty for not paying the tax by April 15). He says he can get out of paying the tax (and the penalty) with proof his taxable income was below poverty level, which he can do with either a tax return or a specific federal form. His income is considerably above poverty level, but it's all Social Security so it is exempt from this tax.

I've never heard of presuming someone owes a tax unless they prove they don't owe it. What's your opinion?
1. That's the stupidest excuse for a tax I have ever heard of. Of all the things schools could avoid wasting money on, art is near the top of the list.

2. Exempting government workers is criminal.

3. The greed of government, especially in liberal areas, is disgusting.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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1. That's the stupidest excuse for a tax I have ever heard of. Of all the things schools could avoid wasting money on, art is near the top of the list.

2. Exempting government workers is criminal.

3. The greed of government, especially in liberal areas, is disgusting.
They voted for this....

Go figure.
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Old 07-15-2014, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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They send out the notice, you pay the tax or go to city hall with proof that the tax is not applicable. Why should that be considered such a big problem.

FWIW - I would be a lot happier if my school taxes paid for History, Geography, English, Math and Art instead of being wasted on "Team Sports". I would consider the $35 well spent.
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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They send out the notice, you pay the tax or go to city hall with proof that the tax is not applicable. Why should that be considered such a big problem.

FWIW - I would be a lot happier if my school taxes paid for History, Geography, English, Math and Art instead of being wasted on "Team Sports". I would consider the $35 well spent.

Not sure. Why is voter ID considered racism?
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Old 07-15-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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A couple years ago, Portland adopted an "arts tax" primarily to maintain funding for school arts programs which was threatened by a school budget squeeze. This tax is a flat $35 on every adult above the federal poverty line. The City wants to tax everyone who lives in Portland at any time during the year, and is using DMV addresses plus registered voters as their targets.
It's important to understand the power of the state worker. Those who receive their paychecks off other peoples taxes can dictate, as in this case school teachers, how many is spent. School teachers have the best pensions, tenure and excellent salaries.
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