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Old 03-03-2014, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Liberalism and conservatism are two sides of the same coin. Some see huge differences between the two, but there isn 't. Both are played out in my view. Third alternative, anyone?

 
Old 03-03-2014, 06:58 AM
 
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What is called Modern-Day Liberalism is an ideaology based upon socialism and extreme secularism. It's followers see the Constitution as outdated and flawed, and seek to move away from it's values. They also seek to break down social constructs (such as traditional marriage etc...) and many view religion as a primitive thing that had no place in modern society.

They also think that they have a monopoly on emotions, they see themselves as being enlightened ;compassion for the poor, open minded and tolerant to different beliefs, well educated and intelligent etc... It's a false concept but one they believe wholeheartedly. They think anyone who is not a liberal has no emotions, or is incapable of feeling such things. They think Conservatives are the exact opposite of them ;hateful, closed minded, bigoted, selfish etc... This black and white thinking ironically makes them the very things they claim to hate.

They look more towards European countries like Germany and France inspiration, little do they know that those countries are not socialist, they are Capatilists just like the US, they have a free market that is driven by making a profit, they just havemmore social programs than we do. They are not extremely secular/atheist like many US liberals think either. What liberals really want is Marxism, they just don't know it.

One of the main traits of liberals is feeling like a victim, they often blame others for their problems and believe that the world owes them something. They think they are being oppressed by the '' establishment '' which to them are big corporations, Republicans, Christians, and wealthy white people. Ironically they are not very self aware as a group, because they are in fact the establishment! Hollywood and the media is very liberal and tells them what to think, they go to school with thekliberal teachers union telling them what to think, they go to college with liberal professors telling them what to think, they watch liberal celebrities on TV and movies tell them what to think, they are constantly being spoon fed information from the establishment. They just can't see it.

I think Reagen summed it up best ; '' It'snnot that liberals are stupid, they just know so much that isn't so ''.

It's an ideaology, it's not real. It's not what the world is really like. They just have been brainwashed by the establishment to think that it is.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Wilsonville, OR
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I could fill a tome describing what liberalism means to me. But for now I can start off with saying it definitely doesn't mean to me what a lot of the people posting in this thread are saying it means to them. I have to wonder if some of these people are against liberalism itself or what they imagine liberalism to be. They are always bringing up and assigning to us and attacking views and positions I have never even held. It's kind of surreal to watch at times.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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In today's world, liberalism can be summed up quite simply; BIG GOVERNMENT.

That's in sharp contrast to classical liberalism which was very much like Libertarians are today.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Greed? Theft? Loss of freedom? Disrespect to the constitution?

I just want to get a straight answer from you conservatives. Tell us how you really feel about liberalism. If you get censored by the forum censor, so be it. Use a more creative vocabulary, then.

As a liberal, I'll tell you what liberalism means to me. To quote none other than the ultimate authority on the English language, the Oxford English Dictionary,

liberal liberal

Pronunciation: Pronunciation: /ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/ /ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l/

Willing to respect or accept behaviour or Willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas: new ideas: liberal views towards divorce liberal views towards divorce

Favourable to or respectful of Favourable to or respectful of individual rights and freedoms: individual rights and freedoms: liberal citizenship laws liberal citizenship laws

(In a political context) favouring (In a political context) favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform: political and social reform: a liberal democratic state a liberal democratic state
Unfortunately, today's liberals (Democrats) don't fit that definition. They do NOT favor individual liberty or free trade and they do not respect individual rights.

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To me, liberalism is what keeps the human race progressing forward. It frees us from the shackles of yesterday, from old ideas such as racism, witch craft, and monarchy. Liberalism is scientific progression. Liberalism is a check on greed and selfishness.
Those are just cheerleader words. You could say the same thing about conservatives.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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For me, liberalism of modern times, lets say the last approximately 50 years means racism, intolerance, bigotry and loss of rights
 
Old 03-03-2014, 09:22 AM
 
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Define "just". Liberals don't want equal opportunity - they want equal outcome.
Liberals claim that it is too difficult for some people to register to vote but they want those same people to have the same outcome as a nuclear scientist. Go figure.
 
Old 03-03-2014, 09:27 AM
 
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mental illness
 
Old 03-03-2014, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Originally Posted by West Coast Republican View Post
What is called Modern-Day Liberalism is an ideaology based upon socialism and extreme secularism. It's followers see the Constitution as outdated and flawed, and seek to move away from it's values. They also seek to break down social constructs (such as traditional marriage etc...) and many view religion as a primitive thing that had no place in modern society.

They also think that they have a monopoly on emotions, they see themselves as being enlightened ;compassion for the poor, open minded and tolerant to different beliefs, well educated and intelligent etc... It's a false concept but one they believe wholeheartedly. They think anyone who is not a liberal has no emotions, or is incapable of feeling such things. They think Conservatives are the exact opposite of them ;hateful, closed minded, bigoted, selfish etc... This black and white thinking ironically makes them the very things they claim to hate.

They look more towards European countries like Germany and France inspiration, little do they know that those countries are not socialist, they are Capatilists just like the US, they have a free market that is driven by making a profit, they just havemmore social programs than we do. They are not extremely secular/atheist like many US liberals think either. What liberals really want is Marxism, they just don't know it.

One of the main traits of liberals is feeling like a victim, they often blame others for their problems and believe that the world owes them something. They think they are being oppressed by the '' establishment '' which to them are big corporations, Republicans, Christians, and wealthy white people. Ironically they are not very self aware as a group, because they are in fact the establishment! Hollywood and the media is very liberal and tells them what to think, they go to school with thekliberal teachers union telling them what to think, they go to college with liberal professors telling them what to think, they watch liberal celebrities on TV and movies tell them what to think, they are constantly being spoon fed information from the establishment. They just can't see it.

I think Reagen summed it up best ; '' It'snnot that liberals are stupid, they just know so much that isn't so ''.

It's an ideaology, it's not real. It's not what the world is really like. They just have been brainwashed by the establishment to think that it is.
Do they also talk solely in absolutes?
 
Old 03-03-2014, 09:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TheHurricaneKid View Post
Greed? Theft? Loss of freedom? Disrespect to the constitution?

I just want to get a straight answer from you conservatives. Tell us how you really feel about liberalism. If you get censored by the forum censor, so be it. Use a more creative vocabulary, then.

As a liberal, I'll tell you what liberalism means to me. To quote none other than the ultimate authority on the English language, the Oxford English Dictionary,

To me, liberalism is what keeps the human race progressing forward. It frees us from the shackles of yesterday, from old ideas such as racism, witch craft, and monarchy. Liberalism is scientific progression. Liberalism is a check on greed and selfishness.

That's not to say that conservatism isn't needed. Conservatism is there to protect the individual. Conservatism is there to tell liberalism if something doesn't work. Being conservative with money, after all, is what keeps businesses out of red.

That being said, the interests of politicians are more likely to be their own than that of the voter.
The modern day liberal, progressive movement in the US is one of abdicating our rights and freedoms to an all powerful centralized, federal government, and letting the politicians and bureaucrats dictate the terms for how we should live our lives.

A liberal Utopia would be the political elites to take over the job of making all of life's tough decisions for us, for them to limit our choices in life and decide what products, services are best for us. To empower government to decide what education is best for our children, what cars, toasters, washing machines, TV shows, food, we should buy, and what news is fit to print, what speech is fit to speak, what internet content is fit to access and what leisure time activities and products and services in the market are fit to engage in.

Modern day liberalism is basically a Potemkin village, with a kinder, gentler version of the communist Soviet Union. A smiling, softer version of Mao Zedong, with an all powerful group of nameless, faceless bureaucrats and politicians who repeatedly tell us that they really care about us.
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