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I went back and actually read the newspaper reports. The boy died in May 2012 and the cross was put up in December of 2012. Therefore, it was only up for 15 months, not 2 years. The AHA did not travel to California. They simply pointed out that the display violated the separation of church and state, so the city ordered it to be removed rather than subject themselves to another lawsuit. The city had recently been on the wrong end of a similar lawsuit (also prompted by AHA), dealing with a veteran memorial depicting a soldier kneeling in front of a cross. The article said a complaint caused the AHA to intervene. A memorial is being put up and a tree planted in a park in memory of the dead boy.
There ya go. A sensible rendering of the church and state thingy results in accusations of intolerance hatred and bigotry from intolerant, hateful and bigoted knee jerker's.
Originally Posted by mensaguy View Post
I went back and actually read the newspaper reports. The boy died in May 2012 and the cross was put up in December of 2012. Therefore, it was only up for 15 months, not 2 years. The AHA did not travel to California. They simply pointed out that the display violated the separation of church and state, so the city ordered it to be removed rather than subject themselves to another lawsuit. The city had recently been on the wrong end of a similar lawsuit (also prompted by AHA), dealing with a veteran memorial depicting a soldier kneeling in front of a cross. The article said a complaint caused the AHA to intervene. A memorial is being put up and a tree planted in a park in memory of the dead boy.
All they had to do was move it 2 feet back onto the vacant private lot - or put the cross on their own front lawn.
Being intolerant of religious displays on public property = defending the Constitution.
Nothing in the Constitution prohibits religious displays on public property - in fact the constitution specifically forbids the prohibition of free exercise of religion.
That is exactly what did occur - and those people should have minded there own business.
Instead they acted on their hatred and intolerance of religion.
How do you know it wasn't any of their business? Do you know who did it? If I see something improper occurring in my community on public property, isn't it within my sphere to take action?
How do you know it wasn't any of their business? Do you know who did it? If I see something improper occurring in my community on public property, isn't it within my sphere to take action?
Washington D.C. is 3,000 miles or so from Lake Elsinore.
That isn't exactly in the same community, so it was not in their "sphere".
This is an example of a busybody organization that hates religion and wanted the cross gone because it offended them.
You should not be able to force the removal of a memorial for an accident victim simply because of an irrational reaction.
Washington D.C. is 3,000 miles or so from Lake Elsinore.
That isn't exactly in the same community, so it was not in their "sphere".
I guess that it's a fact that there are various watchdog groups who've taken it upon themselves to be constitutional lighthouses for any perceived infractions. I know that the 2nd amendment community is very sensitive to any encroachment on what they consider incursions on the their constitutional rights. It's that way with the group that threatened this suit. They are not anti christian. they are anti religious symbolism being displayed on public property.
In the end it's all about slippery slope. 2nd amendment advocates are very watchful of slippery slope laws and incursions. So are these people watchful of incursions of religious symbolism on public lands. Public lands mean just that. they belong to the public not to any one citizen or any one religion.
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