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A response to criminal action by individual soldiers should begin with the military justice system, rather than efforts to impose a one-size-fits-all policy to cover both Iraqi saboteurs and al Qaeda operatives. That is because the conflict with al Qaeda is not governed by the Geneva Conventions, which applies only to international conflicts between states that have signed them. Al Qaeda is not a nation-state, and its members–as they demonstrated so horrifically on Sept. 11, 2001–violate the very core principle of the laws of war by targeting innocent civilians for destruction. While Taliban fighters had an initial claim to protection under the Conventions (since Afghanistan signed the treaties), they lost POW status by failing to obey the standards of conduct for legal combatants: wearing uniforms, a responsible command structure, and obeying the laws of war.
A response to criminal action by individual soldiers should begin with the military justice system, rather than efforts to impose a one-size-fits-all policy to cover both Iraqi saboteurs and al Qaeda operatives. That is because the conflict with al Qaeda is not governed by the Geneva Conventions, which applies only to international conflicts between states that have signed them. Al Qaeda is not a nation-state, and its members–as they demonstrated so horrifically on Sept. 11, 2001–violate the very core principle of the laws of war by targeting innocent civilians for destruction. While Taliban fighters had an initial claim to protection under the Conventions (since Afghanistan signed the treaties), they lost POW status by failing to obey the standards of conduct for legal combatants: wearing uniforms, a responsible command structure, and obeying the laws of war.
So what are these people that have been detained, they aren't soldiers of a foreign country in the truest sense and they have not been convicted of anything but yet they were tortured and kept prisoner for over 10 years without a trial.
So what are these people that have been detained, they aren't soldiers of a foreign country in the truest sense and they have not been convicted of anything but yet they were tortured and kept prisoner for over 10 years without a trial.
I am not saying innocent civilians should be tortured. Not at all.
BUT, google the murders of Nicholas Berg and Daniel Pearl . al Qaeda’s intentions is to kill even innocent civilian prisoners. Without territory, it does not even have the resources to provide detention facilities for prisoners, even if it were interested in holding captured POWs.
It is also worth asking whether the strict limitations of Geneva make sense in a war against terrorists.
It was argued from day one that torturing people would come back to bit us later, and it's been biting us ever since. I don't know how releasing something will make any difference, because George Bush's torture chambers are common knowledge. Or are they saying it was even worse than we thought?
I'll say this....I don't feel guilty or sorry in the least about water-boarding. The lives it has saved far surpasses the cons. That's what bugs our guys most. They can do whatever they please....when it's returned suddenly the limp-wristed feel sorry for them.
if it would saved american citzens and soldiers i hope they beat them to an inch of their lives, and then take the inch.
so somebody going say, would you like if they done that to u.s. citzens. They already do......
Careful, you haven't found out how far this stuff goes back yet......
....and you don't know what we've been doing in other places in recent years.
In short, be careful, Obama's been hard to tell apart from Bush on foreign policy, bombing etc.
I do not give a hoot about "being careful." Torture is wrong, it doesn't matter who does it. This isn't some political game, this is who we are as a people, and I find torture abhorrent. It doesn't generally work well, and it harms us as a country and society.
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