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Old 04-14-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by aedubber View Post
Actually it is ... Where do all animals crap and pee? In a urinal ? I would worry about more important things in life.
You obviously have no understanding of the situation.

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The amount of urine delivered to soil by a grazing cow is of the order of 2 litre applied to an area of about 0.4 m2 (e.g. Addiscott et al, 1991). This represents an instantaneous application of 400-1200 kg N ha-1. Such an amount burns vegetation and is often toxic to plant roots which cannot immediately recover to take up the N (full recovery can take up to 12 months and the problem is obviously worst in areas where animals congregate). Urea in soil is quickly hydrolysed and given that grass can take up perhaps 400 kg N ha-1 annually without loss, pollution of groundwater or the atmosphere is almost inevitable whenever urine is applied to soil. Both Calcium and Magnesium are also lost in substantial amounts from urine patches on pasture soils.
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Cattle sometime spread pathogenic organisms by picking them up from a point source but urinating or defecating elsewhere. Weeds, plant diseases, e-coli O157 are all thought to be spread in this way.
Impact of Livestock on Soil

 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
I said that they knew why they were there and it wasn't about one small rancher.



Your fantasies are sad.
Uhh no. They reflect what we narrowly avoided. And likely won't next time as the insurrectionists grow bolder due to this outcome.

That damn tree still wants its blood. And it will take it when the irrational push it too far. We had a good cop on the scene this time and got a little lucky.

Next time?
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
Jim, where do these cattle crap and urinate? Is that good for the land Mr. Cattle owner?
That would be former cattle owner. But, to answer your question, they urinate and defecate on the land, which is good for it. It provides nutrients for the flora as well as the smaller fauna such as worms and beetles. You seem to have a view of this land as being some sort of feed lot where the cattle are all kept in an enclosed space and devastate the area. Your view is way off base. When free ranging cattle, they are kept in wide open areas and allowed to travel. Chances are the only place where you would see any sort of even minor destruction is at their favorite watering hole, and that destruction would be minimal.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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Uhh no. They reflect what we narrowly avoided. And likely won't next time as the insurrectionists grow bolder due to this outcome.
That would of course be up to the out of control government.

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That damn tree still wants its blood. And it will take it when the irrational push it too far. We had a good cop on the scene this time and got a little lucky.

Next time?
Indeed there are a lot of bad cops where the out of control government is concerned. People aren't going to give in to them. The out of control government has three options. Do this right, file a lien. Forget about it. Lose.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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These are desert Cattle that range over a wide territory looking for grass.. They spread out their waste over large areas unlike cattle who are enclosed in small fenced in pasture.

Their waste help, not hurt the land.
Until they congregate by the water. Then everything goes to hell. And that is why desert ranchers almost always rework the water sources...because cattle destroy the natural ones.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Since 1877.... The Stuarts of the land.



Created in 1946, the BLM regulates activities in hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, boating, hang gliding, shooting, off-highway vehicle driving, mountain biking, birding, and visiting natural and cultural heritage sites. The BLM also regulates logging, mining, fracking and other activities.
The BLM administers 205,498 miles (330,717 km) of fishable streams, 2.2 million acres (8,900 km2) of lakes and reservoirs, 6,600 miles (10,600 km) of floatable rivers, over 500 boating access points, 69 National Back Country Byways, and 300 Watchable Wildlife sites. The BLM also manages 4,500 miles (7,200 km) of National Scenic, Historic, and Recreational Trails, as well as thousands of miles of multiple use trails used by motorcyclists, hikers, equestrians, and mountain bikers.




The BLM is a significant revenue producer to the United States budget. In 2009, public lands were expected to generate an estimated $6.2 billion in revenues, mostly from energy development.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
Jim, where do these cattle crap and urinate? Is that good for the land Mr. Cattle owner?


People in the cities pay a premium for cow crap, to put on their luscious lawns. It is used as a fertilizer.
Tell me you were just playing stupid.
 
Old 04-14-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by BentBow View Post
People in the cities pay a premium for cow crap, to put on their luscious lawns. It is used as a fertilizer.
Tell me you were just playing stupid.
Cow urine destroys vegetation and manure runoff pollutes water.

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Grazing systems can have an effect on soil and more particularly water courses if manure or silage is not stored properly and leaks out. The resultant point source contamination can affect soil for many years, destroy aquatic life and make water unfit for consumption.
http://agriculture.de/acms1/conf6/ws4lives.htm
 
Old 04-14-2014, 09:27 PM
 
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It appears that now the Feds are planning to raid Bundy's ranch. In fact the sheriff says there's no question that the Feds are preparing for a raid.

ALERT! Feds Are About to Raid Bundy Ranch! | TFR News Hub

Shades of Ruby Ridge and Waco. I hope Bundy and the courageous Americans that are there will prevail. All the talk about tortoises, cow patties, etc is a smoke screen! Harry Reid is behind this and like most things the government does, this action is to support another of the elite. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87U06D20120831

This whole "trespassing cattle" issue is BS.... This is Federal land grab! The incident is not over.. The tyrants/Feds are regrouping in Mesquite. The DE-escalation is due in large part so that the Feds can gleen intel on militia. The "No Fly" zone is still in effect. Mainly because drones are being used to gather intel. They are expecting an assault from the Feds. The Citizen militia is putting more boots on the ground as we speak. They're expecting the worst. Too bad the Feds can't put that much into securing the borders!

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Old 04-14-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It appears that now the Feds are planning to raid Bundy's ranch. In fact the sheriff says there's no question that the Feds are preparing for a raid.

ALERT! Feds Are About to Raid Bundy Ranch! | TFR News Hub

Shades of Ruby Ridge and Waco. I hope Bundy and the courageous Americans that are there will prevail. All the talk about tortoises, cow patties, etc is a smoke screen! Harry Reid is behind this and like most things the government does, this action is to support another of the elite. U.S. Senator Reid, son combine for China firm's desert plant | Reuters

The Bundys are using the women as human shields! Where have we seen that tactic before?
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