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Old 04-16-2014, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Follow the cash flow. The military pays taxes on their income which comes from taxes. Ultimately, there are only 86 million private sector workers paying into the system.
You are still not getting it.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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Missed the entire point. 86m cannot continue to subsidize 148m people. Liberals love freebies and ObamaCare is a perfect example.
Did you notice you have the Republican base in those numbers. They excluded the veterans for some reason but add those in and Medicare, Medicaid for Seniors, and SS and you are talking about the 60% who put Republicans in the majority in 2010. Thats where most of your spending is. As Romney found out the 47% is us.
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Old 04-16-2014, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You are still not getting it.
I think you're not getting it. There are 86 million private sector employees paying into a system where 148 million take out. That is not sustainable.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I think you're not getting it. There are 86 million private sector employees paying into a system where 148 million take out. That is not sustainable.
And you think taxing a private sector full time employee is the only income for a government? And you also think all of the 148 million are just taking? No, you are not getting any of it.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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I think you're not getting it. There are 86 million private sector employees paying into a system where 148 million take out. That is not sustainable.
It's been close to that for decades, and was a worse ratio in the decades before the 1980's. The 86/148 numbers above are suspect as their ratio is 58% when the real 2011 Labor Participation Rate was 64%. What Labor Participation rate would the right strive for?


data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

The US Labor Participation rate compares favorably with other nations. Counties that are significantly higher are mainly 3rd world countries where the whole family works or you die.

Labor force participation rate, total (% of total population ages 15+) (modeled ILO estimate) | Data | Table

89% Madagascar
89% Tanzania
87% Equatorial Guinea
87% Qatar
86% Rwanda
86% Zimbabwe
85% Eritrea
84% Burkina Faso
84% Ethiopia
84% Mozambique
83% Burundi
83% Cambodia
83% Malawi
83% Nepal
81% Togo
79% Central African Republic
79% Myanmar
79% United Arab Emirates
79% Zambia
78% Gambia, The
78% Korea, Dem. Rep.
78% Lao PDR
78% Uganda
77% Botswana
77% Senegal
77% Vietnam
76% Peru
74% Bahamas, The
74% Iceland
73% Benin
73% Guinea-Bissau
72% Bhutan
72% Bolivia
72% Chad
72% Congo, Dem. Rep.
72% Guinea
72% Kazakhstan
72% Papua New Guinea
72% Thailand
71% Bahrain
71% Bangladesh
71% Barbados
71% China
71% Congo, Rep.
71% Macao SAR, China
71% Vanuatu
70% Angola
70% Brazil
70% Cameroon
70% Paraguay
69% Ghana
69% St. Lucia
68% Ecuador
68% Guatemala
68% Indonesia
68% Kuwait
68% New Zealand
68% Singapore
68% Switzerland
68% Tajikistan
67% Cabo Verde
67% Colombia
67% Cote d'Ivoire
67% Kenya
67% Kyrgyz Republic
67% Maldives
67% Sierra Leone
67% St. Vincent and the Grenadines
66% Azerbaijan
66% Belize
66% Canada
66% Haiti
66% Lesotho
66% Mali
66% Norway
66% Panama
66% Solomon Islands
66% Uruguay
65% Australia
65% Dominican Republic
65% Georgia
65% Netherlands
65% Niger
65% Philippines
65% Venezuela, RB
64% Brunei Darussalam
64% Cyprus
64% Israel
64% Oman
64% Russian Federation
64% Sweden
64% Tonga
64% Trinidad and Tobago
63% Armenia
63% Costa Rica
63% Denmark
63% Guam
63% Honduras
63% Jamaica
63% Nicaragua
63% United States
63% Virgin Islands (U.S.)
62% Chile
62% El Salvador
62% Estonia
62% Mexico
62% Mongolia
62% United Kingdom
61% Argentina
61% Austria
61% Gabon
61% Guyana
61% Korea, Rep.
61% Liberia
61% Lithuania
61% Portugal
61% Sao Tome and Principe
61% Turkmenistan
61% Uzbekistan
60% Finland
60% Germany
60% Ireland
60% Latvia
60% Slovak Republic
59% Czech Republic
59% Hong Kong SAR, China
59% Japan
59% Malaysia
59% Mauritius
59% Namibia
59% Spain
59% Ukraine
58% Comoros
58% Luxembourg
58% Slovenia
57% Cuba
57% New Caledonia
57% Poland
57% Swaziland
56% Belarus
56% France
56% French Polynesia
56% India
56% Nigeria
56% Romania
56% Somalia
55% Albania
55% Fiji
55% Macedonia, FYR
55% Sri Lanka
55% Suriname
54% Mauritania
54% Pakistan
54% Sudan
53% Belgium
53% Bulgaria
53% Greece
53% Libya
52% Djibouti
52% Hungary
52% Malta
52% Saudi Arabia
52% Serbia
52% South Africa
51% Croatia
50% Montenegro
50% Morocco
49% Egypt, Arab Rep.
49% Italy
49% Turkey
49% Yemen, Rep.
48% Afghanistan
48% Tunisia
47% Lebanon
45% Bosnia and Herzegovina
45% Iran, Islamic Rep.
44% Algeria
44% Syrian Arab Republic
42% Iraq
42% Puerto Rico
41% Jordan
41% Samoa
41% West Bank and Gaza
40% Moldova
38% Timor-Leste
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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And you think taxing a private sector full time employee is the only income for a government?
No I don't think that. It's 81% of the income for the federal government.

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And you also think all of the 148 million are just taking?
No.

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No, you are not getting any of it.
I don't think so. Everything you tried to tie to me isn't true. Try again.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No I don't think that. It's 81% of the income for the federal government.

I don't think so. Everything you tried to tie to me isn't true. Try again.
I am going by your own words, and no, 81% of government revenue is not from full time private sector employees.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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BWAhahhaha.

"We can't afford this!"

"Uhmmmm we have for decades now...so obviously we can..."

Even more interesting is that our GDP is continuing to grow....year after year. In fact looking at the graph we were at this point in about 1987......and since then our GDP has DOUBLED. Think about that-not only can we, but historically we have twice as much money to do so with.
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I am going by your own words, and no, 81% of government revenue is not from full time private sector employees.
81% of federal revenues is from personal income tax and social security taxes. People who are paid by taxes, i.e. public employees on a net basis don't fund our government. 100% of their income comes from tax payers.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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So are there 148 million extra jobs to be filled in the US?
Some of them are kids.

Some of them are productive citizens that happen to live in a household with another person counted as a "taker."

The amount they are "taking" is not equivalent to the amount the private sector makers are "making." If 148 million get an average of $2400 per year in food stamps, and 86 million people are earning an average of $40,000 per year in income, those things are not equal.
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