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That has to be the stupidest ideas in history. Do they really think a fence will keep the illegals out? I meant actual legislation that might change things, not a pork-project.
Third, thin skinned activist celebrities should not be allowed to make misleading political adds for their pet projects.
I don't understand this part. Could you clarify what you mean for me?
I admit I am ignorant on this subject... I don't know about what "pet projects" ads you are referring to. I'm assuming you are talking about how celebrities have such an influence on our culture, especially youth... but can you give me some examples of ads that have been made that you feel shouldnt be allowed?
I guess it just seems to me that if I was an actor and had certain political beliefs i would be happy to express them and to get my message out there. I see nothing wrong with that. Misleading or not, what makes it wrong for them to do this? We see all kinds of misleading political ads from candidates. Well pretty much all advertising and media is midleading to me. How is this not restricting their right to freedom of speech?
Well, I guess because metaphorically speaking, their "megaphone" is larger than ours... I mean, they have the ability to influence people much moreso than you or I just talking about politics, and with that greater range of influence comes a greater responsibility. However, on the other hand, seems like that in itself is a very good reason to want to speak out... the responsibility. Maybe these people believe they have a responsiblilty to speak out because they are celebrities. What makes this any different than political campaign ads? The general public should be able to hear peoples opinins and then decide what they believe, not be censored from peoples opinions, right?
sorry... i dont mean to jump on you, just thinking really fast... and wondering what you meant behind your statement as it was not clear to me.
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I don't understand this part. Could you clarify what you mean for me?
I admit I am ignorant on this subject... I don't know about what "pet projects" ads you are referring to. I'm assuming you are talking about how celebrities have such an influence on our culture, especially youth... but can you give me some examples of ads that have been made that you feel shouldnt be allowed?
I guess it just seems to me that if I was an actor and had certain political beliefs i would be happy to express them and to get my message out there. I see nothing wrong with that. Misleading or not, what makes it wrong for them to do this? We see all kinds of misleading political ads from candidates. Well pretty much all advertising and media is midleading to me. How is this not restricting their right to freedom of speech?
Well, I guess because metaphorically speaking, their "megaphone" is larger than ours... I mean, they have the ability to influence people much moreso than you or I just talking about politics, and with that greater range of influence comes a greater responsibility. However, on the other hand, seems like that in itself is a very good reason to want to speak out... the responsibility. Maybe these people believe they have a responsiblilty to speak out because they are celebrities. Its not like
OK so not having seen it, i can guess what it is about obviously. and i have no problem with someone expressing what they believe in and trying to rally people together. nope. it would be wrong to censor him.
....lets talk about the act of voting and how to encourage more citizens to come out and vote. First, we should require US citizenship for voting. Not just a check mark on a line on a drivers license application form. Second, every person should be required to provide valid picture ID before being allowed to vote.....
I agree. If we water down the process of registering to vote too much, we'll see games of various sorts, like deceased citizens voting, and the old big city joke of "vote early - vote often." Agree too that a valid photo I-D should be shown. These two steps should go a long ways to stop the games that could be played.
I'm not too fond of the idea of people voting over the internet, seems that could be rigged and gamed any number of ways. Perhaps some sort of technical certification, like I recall being used when I worked for the Army, would certify that it really is who it says it is on the other end of the line. Do we have any software security types who can comment on this aspect?
As more electronics (i.e., laptop PCs, etc) are used as voting machines at the polling places, I'm leery of them being used to track how I voted on the ballot. Does anyone have this concern?
I agree. If we water down the process of registering to vote too much, we'll see games of various sorts, like deceased citizens voting, and the old big city joke of "vote early - vote often." Agree too that a valid photo I-D should be shown. These two steps should go a long ways to stop the games that could be played.
I'm not too fond of the idea of people voting over the internet, seems that could be rigged and gamed any number of ways. Perhaps some sort of technical certification, like I recall being used when I worked for the Army, would certify that it really is who it says it is on the other end of the line. Do we have any software security types who can comment on this aspect?
As more electronics (i.e., laptop PCs, etc) are used as voting machines at the polling places, I'm leery of them being used to track how I voted on the ballot. Does anyone have this concern?
Thanks!
s/Mike
The problem is, the "game" isn't that all these illegals are posing as US Citizens and trying to get away with voting, or that all these city folk are trying to vote multiple times. There is absolutely no credible evidence out there that says this is true. Requiring photo IDs is discriminatory and amounts to a new "Jim Crow" law. What about the people who don't have drivers' licenses, or older people who just have their names and addresses on them? What about people who don't have time to go down to their local county clerk's office during business hours, or people who don't have the means to get there? You are opening up a huge can of worms by requiring something like this.
The "game" IS that we have voting machines that only a third-world banana republic could be proud of. The "game" is that we have hackable voting machines that don't even produce paper receipts. ATMs do. Why don't voting machines? The "game" is that we have districts where they have one or two voting machines for thousands of potential voters, leaving them standing in line for hours. Some leave because they can't afford to take the time off from work, or are afraid of being fired (usually in poor districts). The "game" is that we have some state governors using technicalities to wipe hundreds of thousands of voters of the opposing party off the rolls. The "game" is that we have congressional candidates sending threatening flyers to naturalized Hispanics warning them not to vote or risk being deported, and no one comes out and condemns this or does much to try to correct this blatantly false "information".
It astonishes me how the supposedly most advance society in the world can't even ensure fair elections, and doesn't even seem to be very interested in trying.
I agree. If we water down the process of registering to vote too much, we'll see games of various sorts, like deceased citizens voting, and the old big city joke of "vote early - vote often." Agree too that a valid photo I-D should be shown. These two steps should go a long ways to stop the games that could be played.
I'm not too fond of the idea of people voting over the internet, seems that could be rigged and gamed any number of ways. Perhaps some sort of technical certification, like I recall being used when I worked for the Army, would certify that it really is who it says it is on the other end of the line. Do we have any software security types who can comment on this aspect?
As more electronics (i.e., laptop PCs, etc) are used as voting machines at the polling places, I'm leery of them being used to track how I voted on the ballot. Does anyone have this concern?
Thanks!
s/Mike
Yes, these electronic voting machines are a major threat to fair elections! We should all try to vote with absentee ballots as much as possible, since they are paper and have an obvious 'trail'. Did anyone see the report on Lou Dobbs about the Princeton student? professor? (I forget) who showed exactly how these electronic machines can be hacked and the card in one machine can be used to infect many others? Scary, and I don't trust 'government' to do anything much about it. I smell a citizens' revolution in the air!
The problem is, the "game" isn't that all these illegals are posing as US Citizens and trying to get away with voting, or that all these city folk are trying to vote multiple times. There is absolutely no credible evidence out there that says this is true. Requiring photo IDs is discriminatory and amounts to a new "Jim Crow" law. What about the people who don't have drivers' licenses, or older people who just have their names and addresses on them? What about people who don't have time to go down to their local county clerk's office during business hours, or people who don't have the means to get there? You are opening up a huge can of worms by requiring something like this.
The "game" IS that we have voting machines that only a third-world banana republic could be proud of. The "game" is that we have hackable voting machines that don't even produce paper receipts. ATMs do. Why don't voting machines? The "game" is that we have districts where they have one or two voting machines for thousands of potential voters, leaving them standing in line for hours. Some leave because they can't afford to take the time off from work, or are afraid of being fired (usually in poor districts). The "game" is that we have some state governors using technicalities to wipe hundreds of thousands of voters of the opposing party off the rolls. The "game" is that we have congressional candidates sending threatening flyers to naturalized Hispanics warning them not to vote or risk being deported, and no one comes out and condemns this or does much to try to correct this blatantly false "information".
It astonishes me how the supposedly most advance society in the world can't even ensure fair elections, and doesn't even seem to be very interested in trying.
We are required to show a photo I.D. here in FL. I don't drive, but because a photo I.D. is needed for so many things now, I have one. Like I said, I don't drive, but I made it to the DMV to get my I.D. It isn't that hard and I certainly don't see it as discriminatory. If you have the time to vote--you have the time to get an I.D.
Ifyou dont have to show ID how would anyone know you are an actual american citizen?
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