Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:35 PM
 
4,534 posts, read 4,932,712 times
Reputation: 6327

Advertisements

So today was my first day mentoring an inner city minority student (12th grade) in lab in order to get her working on some real science that she's never had the opportunity to have access to in her life. Let's go over the checklist in educational background for someone entering the 12th grade in this program:

Have you ever taken chemistry? No
Have you ever taken physics? No
Have you ever taken biology? A little bit
--So what does DNA do? I have no idea
Do you know algebra? No

Ok how let's start off easy,

How many micro- and milli- liters are in a liter? No clue
How many milli- grams are in a gram? What does 500 milligrams look like in numbers on a scale that reads in grams?

If you divide 10^6 by 10^3 what number do you have left over? How about 10^-3 divided by 10^-6?



Shocking America. Wake up. You've failed your underprivileged youth. This 12th grader stands no chance, the buck was simply passed along to someone else while she was allowed to pass all the way into 12th grade when her math skills are borderline 3rd/4th grade level. How does anyone who has never studied basic physics/chemistry and doesn't even know what DNA does stand a chance at getting into college when her dreams are to become a doctor? At some point, we need to wake up and say the failure ends right now. For all of the whining about how minorities in underprivileged areas are leeches on tax payer dollar handouts, you'd think people would want to break the cycle of failure that leads to it in the first place. It's not this girl's fault every single adult in her life up until now has completely failed her in an epic fashion. And you wonder why so many people get caught in the cycle of failure that drains inner city youth? Look in the mirror. Everyone is responsible for this failure that leads to the same cycle all over again of poverty and crime. Fail America.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:53 PM
 
22,662 posts, read 24,614,838 times
Reputation: 20339
Quote:
Originally Posted by fibonacci View Post
So today was my first day mentoring an inner city minority student (12th grade) in lab in order to get her working on some real science that she's never had the opportunity to have access to in her life. Let's go over the checklist in educational background for someone entering the 12th grade in this program:

Have you ever taken chemistry? No
Have you ever taken physics? No
Have you ever taken biology? A little bit
--So what does DNA do? I have no idea
Do you know algebra? No

Ok how let's start off easy,

How many micro- and milli- liters are in a liter? No clue
How many milli- grams are in a gram? What does 500 milligrams look like in numbers on a scale that reads in grams?

If you divide 10^6 by 10^3 what number do you have left over? How about 10^-3 divided by 10^-6?



Shocking America. Wake up. You've failed your underprivileged youth. This 12th grader stands no chance, the buck was simply passed along to someone else while she was allowed to pass all the way into 12th grade when her math skills are borderline 3rd/4th grade level. How does anyone who has never studied basic physics/chemistry and doesn't even know what DNA does stand a chance at getting into college when her dreams are to become a doctor? At some point, we need to wake up and say the failure ends right now. For all of the whining about how minorities in underprivileged areas are leeches on tax payer dollar handouts, you'd think people would want to break the cycle of failure that leads to it in the first place. It's not this girl's fault every single adult in her life up until now has completely failed her in an epic fashion. And you wonder why so many people get caught in the cycle of failure that drains inner city youth? Look in the mirror. Everyone is responsible for this failure that leads to the same cycle all over again of poverty and crime. Fail America.


Sounds like THAT person has failed to apply themselves......sounds like the PARENTS do not really give a **** about their kids education. If that student wants to be a doctor....wow, I hope she does not succeed!

Enough with the BS guilt-trip.....some kids don't care about a formal education.....they can be janitors or fast-food workers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:53 PM
 
Location: mancos
7,788 posts, read 8,033,284 times
Reputation: 6701
would have responded to all the questions the exact same way.However I am a very sucessuful Carpenter and think working for a living is rewarding. Creating things with your hands beats a mind full of junk you will never use, and at great expense no less,student loan scam anyone?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 09:56 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
14,888 posts, read 10,041,959 times
Reputation: 7693
Quote:
Originally Posted by fibonacci View Post
So today was my first day mentoring an inner city minority student (12th grade) in lab in order to get her working on some real science that she's never had the opportunity to have access to in her life. Let's go over the checklist in educational background for someone entering the 12th grade in this program:

Have you ever taken chemistry? No
Have you ever taken physics? No
Have you ever taken biology? A little bit
--So what does DNA do? I have no idea
Do you know algebra? No

Ok how let's start off easy,

How many micro- and milli- liters are in a liter? No clue
How many milli- grams are in a gram? What does 500 milligrams look like in numbers on a scale that reads in grams?

If you divide 10^6 by 10^3 what number do you have left over? How about 10^-3 divided by 10^-6?



Shocking America. Wake up. You've failed your underprivileged youth. This 12th grader stands no chance, the buck was simply passed along to someone else while she was allowed to pass all the way into 12th grade when her math skills are borderline 3rd/4th grade level. How does anyone who has never studied basic physics/chemistry and doesn't even know what DNA does stand a chance at getting into college when her dreams are to become a doctor? At some point, we need to wake up and say the failure ends right now. For all of the whining about how minorities in underprivileged areas are leeches on tax payer dollar handouts, you'd think people would want to break the cycle of failure that leads to it in the first place. It's not this girl's fault every single adult in her life up until now has completely failed her in an epic fashion. And you wonder why so many people get caught in the cycle of failure that drains inner city youth? Look in the mirror. Everyone is responsible for this failure that leads to the same cycle all over again of poverty and crime. Fail America.
I just checked and none of my kids (my own and adopted) are in or going to the 12th grade so I sure as hell didn't fail anything or anyone you're mentoring.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:00 PM
 
2,117 posts, read 1,881,656 times
Reputation: 1128
Oh, dang. It was our fault who made this kid not give a ****.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:06 PM
 
47,525 posts, read 69,722,740 times
Reputation: 22474
Not just inner city minority youth either. Try rural youth and all kinds of youth.

We spend more money by far on "education" but much of it's just a big waste.

One teacher here told me that out of 20 kids in 9th grade geography, only 4 kids were at all prepared, most had no clue how many states there are or could locate many of them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:09 PM
 
2,117 posts, read 1,881,656 times
Reputation: 1128
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Not just inner city minority youth either. Try rural youth and all kinds of youth.

We spend more money by far on "education" but much of it's just a big waste.

One teacher here told me that out of 20 kids in 9th grade geography, only 4 kids were at all prepared, most had no clue how many states there are or could locate many of them.
Unfortunately, we cannot spend our way into making the parents give a damn. If the parents don't care, why would the student?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
11,011 posts, read 11,029,970 times
Reputation: 6192
First, if she really only functions at a third or fourth grade level, why in the world is she even in the 12th grade?? Who is passing these undeserving students? Second, it's up to HER to apply herself and get the most out of her education. If she does not, the consequence is right where she's at now - very little knowledge or skill to proceed forward into college.

ETA: Good on you for mentoring. Even if we disagree with the reasons for the failures facing your charge.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Southern California
15,080 posts, read 20,481,895 times
Reputation: 10343
Quote:
Originally Posted by fibonacci View Post
...

Shocking America. Wake up. You've failed your underprivileged youth. This 12th grader stands no chance, the buck was simply passed along to someone else while she was allowed to pass all the way into 12th grade when her math skills are borderline 3rd/4th grade level. How does anyone who has never studied basic physics/chemistry and doesn't even know what DNA does stand a chance at getting into college when her dreams are to become a doctor? At some point, we need to wake up and say the failure ends right now. For all of the whining about how minorities in underprivileged areas are leeches on tax payer dollar handouts, you'd think people would want to break the cycle of failure that leads to it in the first place. It's not this girl's fault every single adult in her life up until now has completely failed her in an epic fashion. And you wonder why so many people get caught in the cycle of failure that drains inner city youth? Look in the mirror. Everyone is responsible for this failure that leads to the same cycle all over again of poverty and crime. Fail America.
So did you tell her the truth and break the cycle or did you just pass the buck?

[or did you fail her, too?]

Last edited by MIKEETC; 06-24-2013 at 10:43 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-24-2013, 10:13 PM
 
Location: mancos
7,788 posts, read 8,033,284 times
Reputation: 6701
Quote:
Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Not just inner city minority youth either. Try rural youth and all kinds of youth.

We spend more money by far on "education" but much of it's just a big waste.

One teacher here told me that out of 20 kids in 9th grade geography, only 4 kids were at all prepared, most had no clue how many states there are or could locate many of them.
No problem by the time they graduate they will find out wich states give the most generous welfare benefits and educate themselves,the teachers union sure ain't doing it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:31 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top