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Old 04-30-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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Which claims are those? That Hitler professed to be a Christian? I provided a link to many of his own quotes. Again, not my fault you choose to pretend that anything that doesn't fit into your preconceived notions doesn't exist, but no matter how hard you try, you don't get to change reality.
Please tell me you're intelligent enough to realize it takes more than looking at a page of quotes to understand something like this.

Or is this just a matter of semantics with you? If I proclaim to be Angelina Jolie's best friend tomorrow, does that mean I actually am?

It's not me who is trying to pretend or fit someone into my preconceived notions...
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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What do you know of morality?
You want sick people with no insurance to be driven to the outskirts of town and left to die.
I'm not sure that's really a fair comment. You don't really think the conservative extremists believe in giving sick people a free ride, do
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Old 04-30-2014, 09:57 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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And governments derive their power from the governed. Not from the religions fanatics. If you don't like living in a secular nation, move somewhere else. Saudi Arabia's theocracy restricts people in many of the ways that you favor.
This nation was established by men of Faith (the Christian Faith — most were Calvinists) as a Representative Republic (not a theocracy), and demanding that our public servants defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States as founded (and subsequently amended) does not constitute establishment of a "theocracy."

This is purely a fear tactic. This is the same as Leftists referring to Christians as "American Taliban." It is designed to frighten people in order to remove all vestiges of Christianity from American society, so that you people can establish your secular Leftist (socialist) utopia, where no one is truly free, and rights are granted by the "good graces" of government bureaucrats (like Lois Lerner and Kathleen Sebelius).
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:04 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." -Declaration of Independence

Our rights come from God. If you don't like it, move somewhere else.
That's what they hate. They are "Progressives." Progressives do not believe in the "natural rights."

F.D.R believed that for a proper understanding of the Declaration of Independence, one should ignore the preface (which you quoted above).
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:08 AM
 
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This thread is just more proof that liberals hate religious people.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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No, they come from a collective agreement. "these truths" are not self-evident, you just hold them to be so. The authors could have said other things are "self-evidently" true, and then you'd be saying THOSE rights came from god. Hell, they didn't even believe what they wrote; don't tell me you can't spot the irony in a slaveholder claiming the right to liberty is unalienable.
Interesting misinterpretation. But that's not what it says. It says, "We hold these truths to be self-evident ... " What truths? "that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" (Locke had said Life, Liberty and Property, but the drafters of the Declaration chose to substitute "Pursuit of Happiness for "property" because slave owners considered slaves to be property, and they knew that the slavery question was going to have to be addressed at some point in time).

You need to lean some history.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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Please tell me you're intelligent enough to realize it takes more than looking at a page of quotes to understand something like this.

Or is this just a matter of semantics with you? If I proclaim to be Angelina Jolie's best friend tomorrow, does that mean I actually am?

It's not me who is trying to pretend or fit someone into my preconceived notions...
Well, if Angelina Jolie backs that claim I would have to believe it.

You seem to be confused between someone making unfounded claims, such as your Angelina Jolie example (unless, of course, you really ARE her best friend) and quoting someone's own words. The quotes on that page are from Hitler's own writings. HE said them, not me. See the difference?

Now was he a good Christian? No, obviously not, because he didn't live the words of the savior he professed to be following. Much like many of today's Christians.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This thread is just more proof that liberals hate religious people.
Yes definitely--scientific proof.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This nation was established by men of Faith (the Christian Faith — most were Calvinists) as a Representative Republic (not a theocracy), and demanding that our public servants defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States as founded (and subsequently amended) does not constitute establishment of a "theocracy."

This is purely a fear tactic. This is the same as Leftists referring to Christians as "American Taliban." It is designed to frighten people in order to remove all vestiges of Christianity from American society, so that you people can establish your secular Leftist (socialist) utopia, where no one is truly free, and rights are granted by the "good graces" of government bureaucrats (like Lois Lerner and Kathleen Sebelius).
Wrong. Nobody cares if christians, or people of any religion in the US, practice their religion. They just don't want that religion foisted upon them. Religion is personal and should not be forced upon the general public. Ironically if christians actually practiced the tenets of their religion, this country would be a far better place.
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Old 04-30-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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If not from God, then they are from man. And if from man, they are not unalienable.
Just because we call a right unalienable doesn't mean it comes from a god.

Also, in reality, they are not unalienable (if my right to life is unalienable, how is it that our government can alienate me from that right and put me to death for committing a crime?).
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