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Old 05-20-2014, 01:25 PM
 
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bolded is so true

plus, a good amount of the officially poor don’t work, so the only thing raising the minimum wage does for them is to make it harder for them to get a job if they ever decide they want one. Workers must bring at least as much value to the firm as they are paid or the firm will fail and all jobs will be lost Raising the minimum wage raises the hurdle a worker must cross to justify being hired.

The Law of Demand always works: the higher the price of anything, the less that will be taken, and this includes labor.
Correct. Unfortunately, to the liberal mindset, mandating things be so, makes them so, even though reality says otherwise. They can bully people, but not the laws of economics.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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yeah if the democrats stop making it hard for the job makers to create jobs and if she gets a degree in something that matters and not basket-weaving or some other degree that is worthless that will not get her a job.

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Will there be a job there for her? This is a big problem in our country to many people are getting degrees and certificates and there is just not enough jobs in these fields for everyone.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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No....there will always be good jobs for good workers.

It is up to the business owner how much to pay.
One small correction, if I may. Compensation, even if the only bargaining is to "take it or leave it" is always a two-sided coin. Both have input, and both MUST agree or "no deal".

It is NOT purely up the employer unless it is the Army and the employee is being drafted!!!!
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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yeah if the democrats stop making it hard for the job makers to create jobs and if she gets a degree in something that matters and not basket-weaving or some other degree that is worthless that will not get her a job.
Change fields, adapt or perish.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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One small correction, if I may. Compensation, even if the only bargaining is to "take it or leave it" is always a two-sided coin. Both have input, and both MUST agree or "no deal".

It is NOT purely up the employer unless it is the Army and the employee is being drafted!!!!
I disagree.....the employer will always have the last word.

They are the only one with an investment in the business.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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One small correction, if I may. Compensation, even if the only bargaining is to "take it or leave it" is always a two-sided coin. Both have input, and both MUST agree or "no deal".

It is NOT purely up the employer unless it is the Army and the employee is being drafted!!!!
The bold occurs at the interview and pre-emplyment stage. One agrees on a salary/wage to be paid by the employer before being hired.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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Obviously anyone who puts "deserve" in front of a wage is wrong about why a wage is earned.

Deserve is what you earn, not what is given. It is earned through skill and ability versus the rest of the workforce.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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The bold occurs at the interview and pre-emplyment stage. One agrees on a salary/wage to be paid by the employer before being hired.
That is a procedural factor, but, as in almost all bargaining circumstances, any and everything is negotiable, at all times. The better an empolyee you are, the more you can demand, and get.

If you, at the last minute, say, "I've reconsidered, I need an extra $10.00 per hour, or "no deal", and the if the employer agrees, you have re-opened and closed again the negotiations. Nothing is etched in stone or law until the deal is penned.
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Obviously anyone who puts "deserve" in front of a wage is wrong about why a wage is earned.

Deserve is what you earn, not what is given. It is earned through skill and ability versus the rest of the workforce.
Can you see how the minimum wage stops a great worker from getting more than a poor worker for the same job???
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Old 05-20-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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That is a procedural factor, but, as in almost all bargaining circumstances, any and everything is negotiable, at all times. The better an empolyee you are, the more you can demand, and get.

If you, at the last minute, say, "I've reconsidered, I need an extra $10.00 per hour, or "no deal", and the if the employer agrees, you have re-opened and closed again the negotiations. Nothing is etched in stone or law until the deal is penned.
Not always.

As an employer I can NOT pay good worker more than a poor worker for the same job.
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