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Old 12-12-2007, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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What should be our goal in this campaign?

Consider these three possibilities, and offer your answer:

A. Should we return to a better terrestrial climate? If so, what climate would that be? Is there a historical precedent we could model? How would it be better?

B. Should it be to maintain the same climate we have today? If so, how would we accomplish that?

C. Should it be to find a perfect climatic model for us to aim for in the future? If so, give an example of that model and how it might be attained.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:15 PM
 
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I think its way too hot on this planet. We need to cool it off. Also, all the missing glaciers are a serious concern. If we could adjust the temperature down enough, we could not only get back the glaciers that have melted away in the last 100 years, we could grow them back all the way to Nebraska where they were 18,000 years ago right before George Bush bought his first gas guzzling SUV and started melting them.

I would love to hear what some people think is the ideal climate on earth that we should keep the thermostat adjusted to.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I'm sorry but, this thread is simply too funny to me

I would love to hear what some people think is the ideal climate on earth that we should keep the thermostat adjusted to.

Like, the old mechanical thermostat or the new programmable ones???



BTW, don't forget - you can still use the IRS Sec 179 to get your new SUV - and have the government pay for a bunch of it
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I think its way too hot on this planet. We need to cool it off. Also, all the missing glaciers are a serious concern. If we could adjust the temperature down enough, we could not only get back the glaciers that have melted away in the last 100 years, we could grow them back all the way to Nebraska where they were 18,000 years ago right before George Bush bought his first gas guzzling SUV and started melting them.

I would love to hear what some people think is the ideal climate on earth that we should keep the thermostat adjusted to.
You do realize that during glacial maximums, Europe was a virtual desert, right? It's only during the warm periods that Europe has that temperate climate.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Can I adjust this thermostat multiple times a year? I'm pretty cold right now, but in about six months I won't be. Liberals, where is this global thermostat to save the world with?
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:33 PM
 
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You do realize that during glacial maximums, Europe was a virtual desert, right? It's only during the warm periods that Europe has that temperate climate.
And there was an ice bridge at the Bering Strait that could save $105billion dollars that is an estimated cost of the proposed bridge.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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And there was an ice bridge at the Bering Strait that could save $105billion dollars that is an estimated cost of the proposed bridge.
How can you compare saving the cost of a bridge to turning a continent into a desert? And what good would an ice bridge over the Bering Strait be if everyone lives in the tropics because glaciers cover a majority of North America?

My point is, ideal climate is completely subjective. There is no objective ideal climate. Make it colder and Europe suffers while the Middle East gains. Make it warmer and coastal regions will flood, but we'll be able to grow food much farther north. The only reality in all of this is that we don't control our environment as much as we'd like to believe.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:41 PM
 
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D. Should it be instead to monitor and study climate-associated variables and phenomena so as to learn more about and better understand the processes by which the only planet we have functions and evolves, potentially thereby providing ourselves with, among other things, advanced warning of emerging climatic and related trends that portend of negative consequences, including those of needless human suffering up to and including the ultimate possibility of our own extinction?
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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D. Should it be instead to monitor and study climate-associated variables and phenomena so as to learn more about and better understand the processes by which the only planet we have functions and evolves, potentially thereby providing ourselves with, among other things, advanced warning of emerging climatic and related trends that portend of negative consequences, including those of needless human suffering up to and including the ultimate possibility of our own extinction?
No one wants to answer my question. They prefer obfuscation and hyperbole.

I wonder why?
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:50 PM
 
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How can you compare saving the cost of a bridge to turning a continent into a desert? And what good would an ice bridge over the Bering Strait be if everyone lives in the tropics because glaciers cover a majority of North America?

My point is, ideal climate is completely subjective. There is no objective ideal climate. Make it colder and Europe suffers while the Middle East gains. Make it warmer and coastal regions will flood, but we'll be able to grow food much farther north. The only reality in all of this is that we don't control our environment as much as we'd like to believe.
Well if Europe isn't happy with the colder weather they could always pass a government mandate on the sun to produce more heat. But then the polar bears and penguins die all over again.
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