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That's right. Instead of championing personal responsibility for actions, he's blaming the second amendment and law abiding citizens who have the right to carry for unstable people who go on murdering sprees. The aunt calls Obama to action. Will this stir up another gun control debate before the midterms?
At a press conference earlier today, a self-identified father of one of the victims in last night’s mass shooting near the University of California, Santa Barbara, named his son, Chris Martinez, as one of the victims. In a heart-wrenching statement the father, Richard Martinez, expressed his profound sadness. His 20-year-old son was on his way to a market when he was killed.
“Why did Chris die?” Richard Martinez said at a press conference. “Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA. They talk about gun rights, what about Chris’ right to live? When will this insanity stop?”
I feel for him, but he's going after the wrong people.
Ever Might think the Father did not be the good Father Figure? Perhaps too many years playing violent games?
What if someone was carrying a CCW and actually defended him or herself and the boy was put down after the first shot? Before innocent people died?
He grieving now , but the fact remains this violent act was building for years.
My god would you just let the father grieve in his own way. If he wants to lash out, let him. Have you lost a child. I haven't but I would never criticize anyone's behavior in dealing with this. It's a very personal issue that doesn't involve any of us.
Yes, like every other first world country with an aging population our crime rates are going down. That said they're still 2-3 times higher than every other first world country. You can't escape that FACT no matter how much you try.
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Why if I can see an example of New York which was able to deal with gang violence and crime in general by enforcing very strict gun control. Guns are the evil. Less guns = less violence.
And yet the homicide and crime rate in NY is still above the national average and far higher than some cities that have very high gun ownership rates.
....So why is it that when you take rural areas in our country, areas that often have the most lax controls on guns, they have crime rates similar to those of industrialised countries with strict gun control?
Many of these Mentally Ill have a history of Psychiatric care and a variety of drugs that they have been prescribed by Doctors. Their families knew of their problems, just as this kid's family knew. They even called the Police after reading about his Death Threats on Facebook and YouTube - the Police went by for a chat LAST MONTH. They didn't bother to check and see if he had purchased any guns, they didn't bother to keep an eye on his online accounts and monitor them. They just said he seemed like a nice guy (much like the FBI did with the Boston Bombers) and went on their Merry Way. The Defense Department dropped the ball on the Fort Hood Killer AND the Navy Yard Killer.
I won't be a bit surprised to see a lawsuit coming down the pike. This is a killer the Santa Barbara Sheriffs Dept knew about. The kid's parents knew and I can't believe the 3 room-mates he stabbed to death didn't know how disturbed he was. Pointing fingers at Political Opponents and the Constitution are NOT a way to solve the problem of these Mentally Ill shooter/bomber rampages - in fact they are nothing but Political Posturing and Agenda. I've been watching this dance for almost 50 years, it never accomplishes anything, but the Leftist Base seems to just Love it.
Quoting this because this is the only post that matters.
Can't argue with ignorants who base their opinions on personal beliefs and not facts.
Erm you are aware that Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Germany are classified as permissive gun ownership countries...
Here's some per capita gun ownerships to be fair (per 100 citizens from the UN Small Arms Survey)...
US 89.0
Switzerland 45.7
Finland 45.3
Sweden 31.6
Norway 31.3
France 31.2
Austria 30.4
Germany 30.3
Iceland 30.3
Belgium 17.2
Czech Republic 16.3
Luxembourg 15.3
Turkey 12.5
Denmark 12.0
Italy 11.9
Spain 10.4
UK 6.2
Japan 6.0
So we have Austria (bottom) with 30/100, Norway (Second Bottom) 31.3/100, Luxembourg 15.3/100, Sweden 31.6/100, Germany 30.3/100, Switzerland 45.7/100, Iceland 30.3/100, Czech Republic 16.3 all lower than Japan 6.0/100.
The UK (the gold standard) has a higher homicide rate than everyone on that list but Belgium France, Finland and Turkey.
Turkey has lower gun ownership numbers than everyone but Denmark, Italy, Spain, UK and Japan but has the same homicide rate as the US.
There is Zero correlation between national homicide rates and rates of public gun ownership.
Them there are the facts, if gun ownership was the cause of homicides, then the number of per capita homicides would be ordered as the list I provided, it's not, indeed most of the highest gun owning countries per capita are lower in per capita homicides than Japan.
Moreover the Guardian article claims the converse (just like you), if guns were the cause of homicide then the US would be world #1, Japan would probably be the least murderous country in the world, however Austria has more guns and less homicide, Switzerland has over 7.5 times more guns than Japan and 1 less death per million.
One thing I haven't seen adressed yet. CA is the poster child stage for firearms restriction. The gun laws on the books in CA are enough to make the daffyest gun control freak giddy with joy. I know a couple people who were arrested on gun charges in CA. Hardly criminals, they were semi pro competitive shooters One was arrested and had his guns confiscated because his pistol case was "not locked properly" and there was ONE empty case in the trunk with the guns. That's "ammunition". Another was arrested, guns confiscated, because he had some loose ammunition in his console. His guns were in the trunk , locked up.
This kind of thing happens all the time there. Whilst the bangers are driving around with Macs and Uzis hanging out the windowstjrning streets where children play into free fire zones, the cops and courts are nailing legitimate and proper gun owners to the wall for flat STUPID reasons. How's all that "gun control" working out stopping real criminals?
Sure worked in this case..yea? Yep, its the NRAs fault. And the anti 2a out house rats keep talking about "common sense". Ummmm....yea
At the ICORE regionals in Morro Bay last year, there we're THREE cop cars sitting out on the highway, looking to pull competitors over as they left the match. Uh:huh...a d you gun control Looney tunes say these laws will stop gun crime. Yep, sure thing. These cops didn't have anything better to do in San Luis Obisbo? No actual bad guys with guns anywhere? Whatever. CA is a gun grabbers paradise. And yet this still happened and its the NRAs fault. Gimme a break!
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Yep, its the NRAs fault. And the anti 2a out house rats keep talking about "common sense". Ummmm....yea 