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It is utter hypocrisy for employers to demand employees have a strong work ethic, then pay them peanuts. Why should workers assign higher value to their jobs than their employers do? If you pay crap wages, you deserve crap workers.
YES! Because you work at a food joint and there is ALWAYS left over food for you to eat for FREE. No one working at a restaurant goes hungry, unless they want to.
That argument falls apart if you don't work specifically in fast food. That isn't really relevant to the discussion, anyway.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
You might have to get a part time job in addition to the full time job in order to make ends meet but it most certainly can be done on minimum wage.
You completely missed the point. Why do you think the 40 hour work week exists?
If you have to work more than 40 hours per week, we are back into the days of 60 hour weeks to earn a meager wage. We created weekends, 40 hour work weeks, (child) labor laws to prevent this. Are you moving back in time?
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no one said anything about hunger, so keep slappin'
Because the right doesn't want to talk about reality. If I work minimum wage full time, I should not be in poverty.. requiring housing and food assistance of other taxpayers to live. That is the problem here
Because the right doesn't want to talk about reality. If I work minimum wage full time, I should not be in poverty.. requiring housing and food assistance of other taxpayers to live. That is the problem here
When I was starting out, I worked f/t minimum wage and never took a penny of taxpayer money. It meant sharing an apartment with 4 other people for a short while. Good motivation to get out there and find a better job. Never looked back.
That depends on you. Do you also need that big screen, that xBox, that iPhone? Trips to the hair salon and a regular pedicure? Do you have any responsibility to not squeeze out three kids by three different guys, none of whom stuck around? Do you need to show your friends that you have that Coach bag, purchased with the tax refund sent when you actually paid no taxes at all but are getting money back from EICs? Do you need to hit the clubs with your friends every Saturday night, drinking like a fish?
It's not like this in 2014. Minimum pay doesn't pay having parties every day, people who make this kind of money can hardly afford food, gas and roof over their head, even when sharing shelter with others. This what most old people don't realize.
Nonsense. Most of those you are crying about have smart phones so spare me your self pity..
Because it used to be true until we allowed corporate greed to become our messiah and watched our jobs disappear overseas. Now people are stunned at the disappearance of the American middle class and are turning to the only thing they think will restore it. Certainly the corporations won't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.
It's hard to give up the American Dream, and to face the reality that we will never again automatically be able to improve upon the lifestyle of our parents' generation.
What do you want that is better than what your parents had? I thought prior generations had it made, why do we need more than what they had? That is greed. The American Dream is freedom, that is what we need to worry about losing.
Right, some of us didn't mind working two or three jobs but now that is seen as suffering, as is living with a roommate or not having a data plan.
You completely missed the point. Why do you think the 40 hour work week exists?
If you have to work more than 40 hours per week, we are back into the days of 60 hour weeks to earn a meager wage. We created weekends, 40 hour work weeks, (child) labor laws to prevent this. Are you moving back in time?
Most people I know who are living a middle class lifestyle work more then 40 hours a week. Minimum wage should be considered a temporary lot in life as you do have the ability to strive for something greater.
You can join a union and learn a trade. Most will start you at a wage that is double the minimum wage and give you benefits to boot. But you'll have to work hard and you'll have to go to school at night and on weekends. Not everyone wants to do that. You can work hard at your minimum wage job, impress your boss, apply for promotions and work your way up the ladder. Fast Food managers make a decent living. You can go to school at night with the help of grants and loans and learn either a trade or work towards a career. You can start your own business.
There are options. No one is forcing someone to work for minimum wage for their entire lives. No one said that life was easy.
That depends on you. Do you also need that big screen, that xBox, that iPhone? Trips to the hair salon and a regular pedicure? Do you have any responsibility to not squeeze out three kids by three different guys, none of whom stuck around? Do you need to show your friends that you have that Coach bag, purchased with the tax refund sent when you actually paid no taxes at all but are getting money back from EICs? Do you need to hit the clubs with your friends every Saturday night, drinking like a fish?
Strawman.
Rent and food prices do not discriminate based on income. If I'm poor, I need a subsidized facility or food stamps just to feed myself.. because my greedy employer won't pay me a livable wage. I suppose its just my fault I'm hungry? I go to work every day.... Perhaps if I work hard I can afford more meals for myself
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When I was starting out, I worked f/t minimum wage and never took a penny of taxpayer money. It meant sharing an apartment with 4 other people for a short while. Good motivation to get out there and find a better job. Never looked back.
I didn't ask for your anecdote. Your situation is not indicative of the majority of minimum wage workers in America.
Rent and food prices do not discriminate based on income. If I'm poor, I need a subsidized facility or food stamps just to feed myself.. because my greedy employer won't pay me a livable wage. I suppose its just my fault I'm hungry? I go to work every day.... Perhaps if I work hard I can afford more meals for myself
You may benefit from the help of food stamps but you will be able to afford a room to rent and all other basics. Or you could share a room with roommate and afford everything all at 40 hours a week.
Most people I know who are living a middle class lifestyle work more then 40 hours a week. Minimum wage should be considered a temporary lot in life as you do have the ability to strive for something greater.
Irrelevant.
Minimum wage is a minimum livable wage. One should not work full time for minimum wage and need taxpayer assistance to live and eat; especially if they have a child.
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
You can join a union and learn a trade.
The unions Republicans have set out to destroy?
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Originally Posted by MissTerri
There are options. No one is forcing someone to work for minimum wage for their entire lives. No one said that life was easy.
So I should go hungry because the only job I can find is minimum wage? I have to "work harder" to have adequate nutrition...?
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